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A NASA Cover-Up
A former employee of the National Aeronautics and Space
Administration reveals how NASA covers up and erases
UFOs from satelite photos. But first a little bit about
this former employee: DONNA TIETZE HARE
Formerly of NASA, female slide technician, the
recipient of numerous space awards including 1969
Apollo Achievement award from the National Aeronautics
& Space Administration, 1973 Skylab award, a medallion
for success on the Skylab-Suez Test project, numerous
other awards for her skill as a technical Artist,
honors, awards and a 1994 reccomdation by Texas
Governor Ann Richards to the Advisory Committee of
Psychology Associates. Donna Tietze has spent most of
her professional life involved in the Space Program as
a technical illustrator. She drew lunar maps, landing
slides, she worked in the photo lab, Precision Slide
Lab, reducing art work to one inch by one inch
drawings. She drew launch sites, landing sites and was
employed as a sub-contractor to NASA for over 15 years.
She worked on flight manuals for astronauts & has the
wonderful ability to put words into images but
uniquely, learn to do everything backwards, including
mathematical computations, the writing of words, to put
it simply, this woman has seen just about all the
different kinds of images one could see that are used
in Space Programs.
Donna Tietze interviewed on Washington D.C. Radio
The following is a partial transcript of a radio talk
show that occurred 5/6/95 on WOL-AM in Washington D.C.
which is simulcast on WOLB-AM in Baltimore Maryland.
The show is broadcast every Saturday night at 12:00am.
The show is called "UFOs Saturday Night". The guests on
that date were Stanley McDaniels, author of the
McDaniel Report, Erol Toron, a cartographer and who
provided valuable information for Richard Hoagland in
preparing his book, "The Monuments Of Mars". Also on
the program was keith Morgan, Dan Drazon and Donna
Tietze, a former employee of NASA in Houston, Texas.
The transcript was transcribed by Donald Ratsch,
"Operation Right To Know" (ORTK) from an audio
recording of the show. Elaine Douglass (ORTK) host of
Elaine Douglass: This is Elaine Douglass, WOL News-Talk
Network, our show is UFOs Saturday night and here in
the studio with Keith Morgan and our topic is the Face
On Mars. We have a new guest on the air with us, Donna
Tietze. Donna, you are also with three scientists who
are on the air with us and that would be Stan McDaniels
from California, Erol Toron from the east coast and Dan
Drason whose in Colorado. The reason that I asked Donna
to come on the show, Donna is in Houston, Texas and
kind enough to join us tonight to tell us some very
interesting things she observed while working at NASA.
Donna is an educator and she is working on her Masters
in Education. In the past Donna, as I understand it you
held a position for 15 years with a contractor at the
NASA Johnson Space Center in Houston. You were a photo
Donna Tietze: Correct!
E.D.: Donna welcome to UFOs Saturday Night. Tell me and
tell everyone the incident that you recall as they say
in the law court, did there come a time when you walked
in a photo lab and someone told you something quite
astounding? What happened that day?
D.T.: Yes Elaine, thats true. During the Apollo mission
I worked at NASA throughout those Apollo missions and I
did leave NASA at the time the space shuttles began. I
worked in building eight in the photo lab. I had a
secret clearance so I thought I could go anywhere in
the building. And I did go into one area that was a
restricted area. In this area they developed pictures
taken from satelites and also all of the missions, the
Apollo missions, flight missions. I went in and I was
talking to one of the photographers and developers and
he was putting together a mosaic which is a lot of
photos, smaller photos into a larger photo pattern. And
while I was in there I was trying to learn new methods
and new things about the whole organization and I was
looking at the pictures and he directed my attention to
one area, he said, Look at that. I looked and there was
a round oval shaped, well it was very white circular
shape of a dot and I, it was black & white photography,
so I asked him if that was a spot on the emulsion and
he said, well I can't tell you but spots on the
emulsion do not leave round circles of shadows.
E.D.: So there was a shadow on the ground?
D.T.: Right, a round shadow! And I noticed that there
were pine trees, now I don't know where this area was
or what, you, pretty close to the ground what I saw but
I didn't see outline of the continent. But I did notice
that thre was shadow under this white dot and I also
noticed that the trees were casting the shadows in the
same direction as this shadow of the circle of this
aerial phenomena because it was higher than the trees
but not too much higher than the trees but it was close
to the ground and it was spherical but slightly
elongated, not very much but slightly. I then said, is
it a UFO? And he said, Well I can't tell you. And then
I asked him, what are you going to do with this piece
of information? And he said, well we have to airbrush
these things out before we sell these photographs to
the public. So I realized at that point that there is a
procedure setup to take care of this type of
information from the public.
E.D.: Isn't that remarkable gentlemen?
Stan McDaniels: Elaine, I was unable to really hear
very much of that.
E.D.: Oh really?
SmcD: I did catch air brush it out.
E.D.: Alright, Stan can you hear this station break
SmcD: Uh, sure.
E.D.: So alright, we are going into that, we'll be back
in just a couple of minutes
E.D.: Erol Toron, you are here?
E.T.: I'm still here
E.D.: Alright fine, Stan you said you could not hear
the account that Donna gave?
SmcD: Not very well.
E.D.: Alright, Keith would you like to recapitulate
what Donna said?
Keith Morgan: Stan, what she said was that she was in
the photo lab at NASA and that she was looking at some
photos and one showed an elliptical object, white
object that was casting a shadow on the ground above
some trees and the technician in there, she asked him
if it was a UFO? He said I can't tell you. She said
what are you going to do with this kind of information?
He said well that is the kind of stuff that we airbrush
SmcD: Oh I see, thanks for that!
E.D. So Donna thats approximately, essentially correct
what you said, right?
E.D.: Yes well I, Stan I think thats quite startling,
SmcD: Its speaks for itself.
E.D.: Yes it certainly does, Now Donna there is another
matter that you learned about when you were there at
NASA. I believe this was through a third party, a
person that you were spending some time with who was a
fellow NASA employee?
D.T.: Right, in fact after we talked, I thought about
another incident with a guard that I would like to
convey too thats very important. This man that I had
dated was in quarantine with the astronauts when they
had come back from the moon and I had talked to him
about seeing this saucer (satellite photos) and asked
him if he had heard anything about that and he told me
that every astronaut, every moon trip had been followed
by craft, by saucers, that every one of them, every
astronaut that went to the moon, now I don't know about
other sites but they all had seen it and all had been
told to keep quite about it and they were threatened
with jail and their whole retirement, everything taken
away from them. They were also, this told me that if I
ever told that he said it, that he would deny it, that
he would never admit that he told me all of that.
E.D.: Did you hear that Stan?
E.D.: Alright, ah, go ahead Keith, recapitulate.
(Keith repeats everything of that part that Donna
Tietze stated, to McDaniel)
SmcD: Oh yes I see
E.D.: Yes and I believe that Donna you related to me,
you friend came to believe that the UFOs were
instrumental in geting Apollo 13 that was, ah, our
disable mission to the moon, was it 13?
D.T.: Right, well he said that it shouldn't have come
back, I mean, there was no, ah, they had help. And
thats was all he would say.
E.D.: All he would say?
D.T.: He said it was impossible for that craft to have
gotten back home
E.D.: Donna you said that there was another matter that
you wanted to relate to us.
D.T.: Yes, something that I didn't talk to you about
earlier. When I had quite work, I had an office, I was
doing ilustration work at another office, in another
part of town. And a man that had been a guard at NASA
during the time came into my office and he had a large
gash scar on his forehead and he told me that he was a
guard at NASA and that he was burning a lot of
photographs of UFOs. That was his job.
E.D.: Really (surprised)
D.T.: And he said he stopped to look at one too long
and one of the other, I gathered it was some type of
military man, hit him in the head with a gun butt and
knocked him out.
E.D.: What? (shocked)
D.T.: Because he had looked at one of the photographs
too long, he did describe the photograph to me which I
tend to believe was an accurate photograph.
E.D: Oh, my god!
D.T.: He explained that it was a craft on the ground
and it looked like, it was like a regular saucer with
like little bumps all over and he said it was like it
was burnt. He said cows in the field all had their
tails stuck straight up. At the time he said he didn't
know when cattle were frightened, that their tails
would stick staight up. And he described this to me and
since then, I did describe it to someone that I thought
might have looked at some of these photos, possibly and
they did look kind of frightened that I shouldn't know
about that one.
(the next several minutes later the conversation is
more about UFOs following Apollo crafts to the moon)
E.D.: The second part of her account had to do with the
stalking of our space mission by UFOs of our space
missions to the moon and so on. She even said that they
apparently helped in one case by bringing the Apollo 13
back, that was the impression that she got and..
D.T.: yes but they (aliens) also didn't want that craft
the part of the moon that they was going to, so they
may have caused
some of it too, but it was supposed, we were told not
to go but we
ignored it. Now thats what I've heard, that some of the
stuff he was
E.D. Did he say that, your direct contact?
E.D.: That the United States was told not to go to the
D.T.: To that certain place on the back side of the
E.D.: And did he know why we weren't supposed to go
D.T.: I guess they didn't want us to see something back
there, I don't know, I don't know that part.
(interview winds down a few minutes later and the show
is out of time)
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