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John Carpenter | Tonight we are going to talk
| about many things
| including alien types, origins,
| and the case in Brazil
| which demonstrates ANOTHER type of entity. ga
Mudwasp | ?
Di&Jack/SL5 | Mudwasp ga
Mudwasp | What case in Brazil?
VINNY | ?
John Carpenter | Well, that certainly tells you all how NEW
| this case really is!!! Okay,
Mudwasp | :)
John Carpenter | there was an alleged crash in the country of
| Brazil, South America around January 19, 1996
| near
| a city called Varginhia (180,000 people).
| As many as 5-6 creatures were either seen or
| captured by various military or other
| officials.
Mudwasp | ?
John Carpenter | There are at least 35 first-hand witnesses. ga
Di&Jack/SL5 | Vinny ga
Ann F./ExecSYSOP | ?
Mudwasp | What is the evidence that they are
| otherworldly creatures?
VINNY | are these the same entities that were
| caught in
| florida?sorry good evening John glad to see
| you,
| forgot my manners, the creatures spoke in
| a
| language that we cant understand?
John Carpenter | First, Mud's question...
VINNY | ga
Di&Jack/SL5 | ga Mudwasp
John Carpenter | The description is: 4-5 feet tall, brown skin
| which
| glistened as if oiled, large round RED eyes,
| no hair, oversize heads, several bumps or
| "horns"
| on the heads,
| very long arms, skinny naked body, sexless,
| long 3-fingered hands, V-shaped feet. ga
| Oh...
| and they made a buzzing sound like bees after
| captured in nets.
| ga
Mudwasp | bizarre.
Di&Jack/SL5 | Vinny ga
VINNY | are they the same creatures caught in
| florida?
John Carpenter | What creatures were CAUGHT in Florida?
Mudwasp | Drug Dealers.
| JK.
VINNY | the same way these others were caught a
| few
| kids were throwing rocks at them
| the firemen came and swooped them away
John Carpenter | When?
VINNY | in big nets
| two of them were caught
| a month or so ago
Mudwasp | Since when do firemen know how to deal with
| Aliens?
John Carpenter | Wait a minute....
VINNY | the second one seemed to speak a language
| we
| didnt understand
| ga
John Carpenter | Okay ... whoa ...
VINNY | ga
Susan Mims | ?
John Carpenter | Let me explain...
| I was just in Brazil and talked first-hand to
| the
| principal investigators. What you just
| described
| is exactly what happened in Brazil on January
| 20,
VINNY | there was only two beings caught , there
| were two
| stories i had the one from brazil before
| this one is different
John Carpenter | 1996. In Brazil you do not call 911, you call
| the fire
| department who take care of all kinds of
| odd things -- large snakes, mad dogs, and in
| this
VINNY | were three girls involved in brazil?
John Carpenter | case, what they thought were "odd monkeys"
| until
| closer look. Yes, the three girls were
| involved.
VINNY | ok then there is another story
| one in florida
John Carpenter | So this is not Florida, but BRAZIL, okay
| everyone?
| Now...
| Let's come back to this case a little later,
| okay?
VINNY | ga
| sorry
Di&Jack/SL5 | ok Susan
Susan Mims | How reliable do you think the information
| source is? Are
| there any pictures, artifacts, etc., to
| support the stories?
| Any footprints, landing marks, etc.?
Di&Jack/SL5 | ga
John Carpenter | ok...
| They have taped interviews with military
| officials,
| 1000 pages of testimony from 35 witnesses,
Mudwasp | ?
John Carpenter | including other officials, civilians, Air
| Force, etc.
John Carpenter | There were footprints, odors, bodies
| recovered and
| examined in the hospital, etc etc. ga
Susan Mims | Bodies recovered?
VINNY | ?
Mudwasp | ?
John Carpenter | Yes, bodies were recovered -- at least two
| dead and
| two alive... interesting, eh?
Susan Mims | ?
John Carpenter | Two more have been seen BUT NOT CAPTURED
| as far as we know at this point ga
Di&Jack/SL5 | Okay Mudwasp, you are next, ga
Mudwasp | ga.
John Carpenter | Brazil (Varginhia is the city)
Di&Jack/SL5 | This is a formal conference, use a ?
| to ask a question and wait til you
| are called on
Mudwasp | Were any witnesses not in the Military?
| and if so, what happened to them?
John Carpenter | yes, most of them were in the neighborhood,
| on the
| streets, near the hospital, in the hospital,
| or part of
| the medical unit, etc.
| They...
| have been threatened not to talk. Several of
| the
| investigators have had their lives threatened.
Mudwasp | By the Military?
John Carpenter | Folks, this is not INTERNET rumor. This is
| fact as I
| just interviewed in person
System Crash | ?
John Carpenter | the principal investigator while I was at a
| UFO
| conference in Brazil. He told me his life had
| been
| threatened. He was the one who taped the
| interviews with the military.
| And he has wisely duplicated these and
| distributed
| them safely to many places. Good move! ga
- Visitor | Mr. Carpenter, do you know about the shadow
| shaped in the letter A,B, or C found next to
| the Viking
| that went to Mars during the late 70's...?
| They
| thought it might have been some lifeform but
| I don't
| know if they ever determined anything
| definite from
| it...? APOLOGIES: I ALREADY TYPED MY
| QUESTION...(next time?)
Di&Jack/SL5 | Wow, Thanks John, Vinny, you are
| next, ga
VINNY | John do u think that we are on the
| brink on the
| ufo reality comming forth?All the movies,
| shows,commercials,etc,etc are we upon the
| time or
| is it that the government cant controll?Do
| you think
| my theory is somewhat correct that the
| earths
| atmosphere is thinning out and the
| dimensional
| portal is wearing thin?Things are starting
| to just"fall
| out"?
John Carpenter | It certainly feels like many more entities are
Mudwasp | 8%7)q
John Carpenter | coming through from somewhere. First all the
| Chupacabras in Puerto Rico,
John Carpenter | Juarez, Mexico, and Florida. Now these
| somewhat
| related creatures in Brazil who seem like a
| cross
| between the Chupacabras and Little Greys! ga
John Carpenter | okay...
VINNY | ?
John Carpenter | Roswell is and always will be an excellent
| case with
| many (300) witnesses from civilians
| to military personnel. Brigadier General
| Jefferson
| Dubose stated on videotape before his death
| that it was a coverup ABSOLUTELY of a strange
| craft from another world. He was
| General Ramey's assistant and would KNOW.
| However,
| the autopsy film is NOT Roswell at all.
System Crash | ?
John Carpenter | It is dated as a crash on May 31, 1947 whereas
John Carpenter | Roswell was July 5-7th, 1947. It was also
| supposed
| to be
John Carpenter | southwest of Soccorro. But the film
| does not look like any of the aliens from
| thousands
| of researched cases. This does not mean that
| it is
| not possibly real, but we have nothing like
| it before
| despite
| years of research by so many investigators...
| The other bothersome thing...
| is that Santilli and others have not exactly
| been
| clear on many aspects. Their stories are full
| of
| holes and disappointments.
System Crash | With this obvious mistake, why would people
| claim that it was fotage from Rosewell?
John Carpenter | The jury is still out but most serious UFO
| researchers doubt its authenticity. ga
Di&Jack/SL5 | Excellent answer John, Vinney, ga
John Carpenter | Crash...
Channing Jones | ?
System Crash | ?
John Carpenter | It was only a popular label that stuck.
VINNY | Were these beings nasty, from what iheard
| they
| were scared to death?What was at the crash
| sight
| noone heard anything about this , everyone
| was
| focussed on the beings!!!Were they wearing
John Carpenter | Vinney?
VINNY | cloths?Could they be govenment experiments
| that "
| got away'?
John Carpenter | Which beings?
VINNY | theones in brazil
John Carpenter | okay..
| It would not seem as likely that they were the
| pilots of the craft -- they seemed more
| primitive and
| helpless ... however
| they may have been "cargo" or...
| android workers.... or possibly very
| intelligent but
| just in shock --- just like a business
| executive
| wandering around like a lost child after a
| plane
| wreck. ga
System Crash | Is it true that the government of the US has
| a "safe zone" in which no one cane enter,
| unless
| they have a very high security level, and it
| is in this zone, that they are crossing alien
| DNA with
| human DNA to create some sort of human-alien
| hybrid?
John Carpenter | They were not nasty.
- Visitor | !!!!!!!!!!
System Crash | What?? I found that info on a web page!
John Carpenter | Good question.... It is interesting to note...
| that one of the largest genetic research
| centers
| is in Puerto Rico where so many Chupacabras
| were first seen.... hmmm... ga
Di&Jack/SL5 | Thanks John, Channing Jones, ga
Channing Jones | John, what do you think about the various
| ancient civilization theories such as
| Atlantis, Lemuria, Mu, etc.
System Crash | ?
John Carpenter | I have been looking very closely at ancient
| stuff and
Susan Mims | ?
John Carpenter | have found fascinating depictions of what
| seem to
| be obvious UFO sightings, abductions, etc. I
| think
| that these beings have been visiting our
| Earth ever
| since we "came here"... ga
System Crash | What about the all infamous LOCH NESS MONSTER
| hmm John?
John Carpenter | Is Crash next?
Cool Jerk | ?
Di&Jack/SL5 | System, there are other questions
| please wait until you are called on
System Crash | Sorry, I thought I was.
Di&Jack/SL5 | Go ahead Susan
Susan Mims | Where are the live Brazil beings now? Are
| there pictures of
| either the live or dead beings? and did you
| see them? has
| anyone threatened you, yet?
Di&Jack/SL5 | then System
John Clark | ?
John Carpenter | It is believed that one live being MAY have
| been
| brought back to the USA. There is one
| military witness who stated that the USA
| informed
| the Brazilian miltary that an object had come
| down
| and what to do -- until they got there?
| Anyway, the
| US is supposed to have overseen the
| operation.
| Does
| that really surprise anyone? I did not see
| the bodies
| myself but saw numerous drawings from several
| witnesses.
Di&Jack/SL5 | System Crash, GA
John Carpenter | They said that the incident WAS filmed well,
| but
Di&Jack/SL5 | sorry JOhn
John Carpenter | the investigators do not have the footage
| yet. Now,
| you must realize that I was impressed by the
| UFO
| investigators there -- some of them have been
| very
| diligent and dedicated for decades to this
| mystery and do a very fine, competent job! In
| fact,
| Brazil has 182 UFO groups! Imagine! And they
| have
| at least 40 MUFON members as well. ga
System Crash | Do you think that one day others from
| different worlds will come in full force? And
| if so, do you
| have any idea if they will come in peace, or
| as a hostile act? Also, any opinion on when
| they
| will come?
Di&Jack/SL5 | Interesting John, now your turn
| System Crash
Channing Jones | ?
John Carpenter | We have no evidence of any hostility or
| planned
| takeover whatsoever. Goodness, with all of
| their
| abilities they could have done so centuries
| ago.
System Crash | What a releif!
John Carpenter | No researcher is finding this kind of
| indication or
| evidence in their cases. ga
Di&Jack/SL5 | Cool Jerk, GA
Cool Jerk | How do you explain our recent advances in
| technology?is this a case of the Aliens
| giving us info. or
| is it just a case of the more we learn the
| faster we
| learn?
John Carpenter | the latter, I believe, plus what we gain from
| such
| crash-retrievals and recovered bodies. ga
| well?
Di&Jack/SL5 | John Clark, you are next, ga
John Clark | I'm from New Jersey and was wondering if you
| had any thoughts on the Jersey Devil? How
| about Big Foot? thanks:)
John Carpenter | I think the Jersey Devil may give us some
| history
| finally on the Chupacabras mystery. When the
| Brazilian 3 girls saw the crouching creature,
| they felt
| they had seen the devil and ran away. ga
Di&Jack/SL5 | Thanks John, ga Chaning
Channing Jones | Don't you think movies such as Independence
| Day are counterproductive to educating the
| public?
John Carpenter | YES YES YES.... is it deliberate? I don't
| know. ga
Di&Jack/SL5 | Ann you are next
| sorry ann
Ann F./ExecSYSOP | My question was answered, thanks:)
| ga
Di&Jack/SL5 | John, what about the pictures on the
| internet
Pete P./ExecSYSOP | ?
Di&Jack/SL5 | of some composit looking
| Chupacabaras
| ga
John Carpenter | Was that the dead corpse on the road?
Di&Jack/SL5 | I'm thinking of the one that looked
| like a Bass
| with teeth
Debbie H./SL13 | ?
Jim Griebel/ASYSOP | ?
John Carpenter | Pretty weird -- not enough info on that one.
| ga
Di&Jack/SL5 | Pete, you are next
Pete P./ExecSYSOP | John, has the Brazilian description of the
| entities
| involved matched any other encounter or
| abduction case descriptions you're aware of?
John Carpenter | No....
| In fact,
D Slade | ?
John Carpenter | the Chupacabras are the closest because of
| the
| large red glowing eyes and simply "being on
| the
| loose" in the same manner. ga
Aitan R./SL3 | ?
Jeannie/SL6 | ?
John Carpenter | who's next?
Di&Jack/SL5 | Thanks John, Debbie, ga
Debbie H./SL13 | John, thanks for joining us tonight.
John Carpenter | Thank you.
Debbie H./SL13 | Can you give us your opinion overall on the
| crop circle phenomena?
| ga
John Carpenter | Sure...
| I believe this is a fascinating REAL
| encounter with
| another intelligence ....
| the scientific analyses of the crops reveals
| details that cannot be reproduced in the
| labs...
| and
MOOSE | ANYBODY THERE?
| ANYBODY?
John Carpenter | some of the formations have been first
| formulated
| in people's minds -- and then found in the
| fields
| perhaps the very next day! Now...
| I have been in touch with Colin Andrews...
| and find the recent formations absolutely so
| intricate and beautiful -- well beyond human
| construction. Plus we have flying disks on
| film that
MOOSE | HELLO?]
John Carpenter | prove some kind of UFO is present!! Other odd
| lights and happenings have occurred. It is
| breathtaking, beautiful, inspiring, and
| scientific. ga
Di&Jack/SL5 | Thanks John, Jim, ga
Jim Griebel/ASYSOP | John, first, thanks for joining us! Earlier
| you
| mentioned Dubose . . . do you have the title
| of the
| videotape you mentioned, on which he talks
| about
| a definite coverup in re Roswell, handy? ga
John Carpenter | Just a moment ...
John Carpenter | The Fund for UFO Research (FUFOR) in
John Carpenter | Washington, DC has copies of the witnesses
| from Roswell. Try that, okay? ga
Jim Griebel/ASYSOP | Will do. Thanks!
| ga
Di&Jack/SL5 | D. Slade ga
Channing Jones | ?
D Slade | John, what is your take on *new age* type
| *religious* integration of ET experience?
| Thanks, ga
John Carpenter | Well,
| many people have naturally been moved by
| either
| their own experiences or by being involved in
| this
| research. That is human nature to have such a
| response. The astronauts who returned from the
| moon often had a deeply religious experience.
| I have talked with Ed Mitchell. You MUST read
| his
| new book, called
| A NEW WAY OF EXPLORATION, ga
Di&Jack/SL5 | Thank you John, Aitan, you are next,
| ga.
D Slade | Thanks John ga
Aitan R./SL3 | In all your experience, what spect of
| humanity seems to be affected the most, and
| are there any noticeable changes in the way
| people think now about all this, compared to
| ten years ago? Is there an acceleration?
| aspect that is.
John Carpenter | AWARENESS and EDUCATION have been GREAT
| largely due to the media's improved posture
| toward
| all of this...
| Journalistic greats such as George Knapp,
| Linda
| Moulton Howe,
| and even Art Bell's Dreamland, plus SIGHTINGS,
| ENCOUNTERS, UNSOLVED MYSTERIES, and
| X-FILES to name just a few. As the networks
| have
| treated it more seriously,
| more people have felt comfortable to finally
| tell their
Aitan R./SL3 | !
John Carpenter | long-kept secret accounts. Thus, it appears
| as if
| there is a great increase in encounters
| when actually
| there has been a flood of REPORTING -- many
| of
| the cases 10-20 years old! ga
Di&Jack/SL5 | Jeannie, you are next, ga
Jeannie/SL6 | Welcome and thank you so much for coming
| tonight! :)
| Why do you feel Gordon Cooper has spoken out
| now
| about UFO's? What could be his motivation?
| ?
John Carpenter | Tired of Bull---- I believe. ga
Jeannie/SL6 | Bull?
| :)
John Carpenter | Well,
| okay!
| ga
Aitan R./SL3 | !
Di&Jack/SL5 | channing ga
Channing Jones | I would like to get back to D Slade's
| question. Occasionally aliens have been
| reported mentioning such things as
| reincarnation such as in the Adams and Meier
| cases. What do you think of this? Is there a
| connection to Religion?
John Carpenter | Well, now that is a big question indeed!!!
| okay...
| In my own searching I have found nearly every
| religion
| influenced by some kind of other-worldly
| encounter.
| I really wonder about "angels" and "tall
| blondes".
IT15 | ?
John Carpenter | I wonder about reptilians
| and the serpents from Biblical times. After
| all, when
| God said that NOW the serpent must crawl on
| his
| belly,
| what was he doing previously?
| And the Book of Enoch tells of the Watchers...
Daniel Roberts | ?
ECL Robin | ?
John Carpenter | a group of other-worldly beings which of
| course
D Slade | ?
John Carpenter | we would call Gods... Why did the "sons of
| God
| come down to Earth and mate with the daughters
| of man?(genesis) There is so much more...
| I will be...
| putting out a paper in September
| on all of my findings, okay?
| By the way,
| I just finished making a research video
| for sale
| regarding a strange anomalous face
| that floated up into the view of a window
| and was inadvertently caught on videotape.
| It is a good case, presented in an 80-minute
Debbie H./SL13 |
John Carpenter | research VHS video. Interested? This may be
| the
| only legitimate ET ever caught on video.
| It is VERY strange indeed! ga
Di&Jack/SL5 | Good answer John, Aitan, ga
Aitan R./SL3 | Regarding the media, its an indication that
| the mass public is interested.
Jeannie/SL6 | ?
John Carpenter | YES
| ga
Di&Jack/SL5 | Thank you John, Daniel Roberts, ga
Daniel Roberts | Thank you, John answered my question...about
| Enoch and the watchers. Also consider the
| book of Jasher. . more about them.
John Carpenter | Jasher? Lost book of the Bible?
Daniel Roberts | Yes
John Carpenter | thanks
| ga
Di&Jack/SL5 | Okay, Robin, ga
ECL Robin | Good point about the serpents on their
| bellies.LOL
| About reincarnation and spirituality, I
| recently had
| regression hypnosis and discovered a memory
| of an
| ET encounter in 1265 AD in which I was
| invited and
| accepted the invitation to go their craft. I
| recieved an
| implant which causes pain to this day, but
| the pain is
| a teaching tool for something specific. In
| your
| knowledge, Is this sort of experience fairly
| common?
John Carpenter | Not enough info on that, but very
| interesting. ga
Di&Jack/SL5 | D. Slade, ga
D Slade | John, are you saying the origin of human
| *religion* or worship has evolved from Et
| contact? and not from within ourselves?
| Thanks,
| ga
| Is this all a fog?
John Carpenter | I think there has been a heavy influence --
| not
| necessarily directly started but inspired. ga
Di&Jack/SL5 | Jeannie, ga
Jeannie/SL6 | Do you see, or have you seen ANY indication
| that ET"S
| presence will be validated publicly in any
| form at any time in
| the near future?
John Carpenter | I would hope so. It would lessen my load!! ga
| Oh---
| news flash
| from Japan
| Robert Dean and others
| were UN-invited
| to the opening of the new
| UFO museum.
| They say, "INVITATION ONLY".
| Is that not interesting????? ga
Di&Jack/SL5 | John, that was our last question, we
| can go informal now. Please feel
| free to stay on and chat. WE really
| appreciate your being with us
| tonight and the information was
| fascinating, can you join us again?
John Carpenter | I am not complacent, I hope. This is part of
| my life
| daily. But
| you must remember, I have heard predictions
| and
| prophecies for years even from some of my
| best
| cases
| and nothing ever came true. I do believe we
| are
| in for some Earth changes and eventual open
| contact,
| but I just don't have anything DEFINITE to
| share
| with all of you. I must be responsible. After
| all, there
| are enough rumors to last for all of us. I
| try to deal
| only with data, encounters, facts, science,
| and the
| effects on people -- including wonderful
John Carpenter | spirituality and growth, etc.
| Good night everyone. I must go pack for my
| trip to Chile, S.A. TOMORROW to speak at their
| first UFO conference -- university sponsored
| and
| also by their Air Force I am told!
Ann F./ExecSYSOP | John, thank you so much!
Pete P./ExecSYSOP | Thanks again, John. Great CO - as usual!
Di&Jack/SL5 | Thank you John, it has been a
| pleasure having you here tonight.
John Carpenter | Thank you again!
| Good night
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