INTERVIEW WITH SHERMAN SKOLNICK -- MARCH 2, 1995
I spoke by phone with Sherman Skolnick of the Citizens' Committee
to Clean-up the Courts [CCCC]. Here is my transcription of that
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All right, what subjects do you particularly want to get into?
There's just a few questions that people had, O.K.? And you've
answered, so far, fine; I'm happy with the answers you've given
me so far. And I'd like to get into more detail. You know, my
idea is, maybe call you up once a week, ten, fifteen minutes, and
just kinda, you know, "flesh out" things, and...
My opinion is that the Barings Bank collapse is not an isolated
event. It is part of an ongoing series of scandals which, of
which the Whitewater scandal and the scandal, the series of
scandals in Italy, and in France -- there's some overriding
connection between them. In other words, different factions are
coming out of joint and are fighting with each other, and this is
what happens. And the financial press is *not* making any sense
out of it; they're dealt with as if they're all isolated
situations -- which they may not be.
O.K. With this (movin' to a different subject), with this thing
of the 41 grand jury witnesses in Chicago, that you're sayin'
that the Justice Department has got an assassination team that
has been killin' people...
Uh, yes. The ones that originally contended that were the highly
skilled lawyers, including the former Attorney General, Elliott
Richardson, that represented the Inslaw company. And in rebuttal
to former judge Nicholas J. Bua's report on the grand jury
investigation of whether Inslaw was defrauded by the Justice
Department, Inslaw's attorneys filed certain detailed
descriptions, offering witnesses, that there is within the
Justice Department [an] unmarked section where there is a group
there that conducts domestic and foreign assassinations, and that
*they* were responsible for killing a key witness, a free-lance
journalist, by the name of Danny Casolaro.
Yeah, O.K. What, what some of my readers were interested in is
possibly a list of the names of the victims. I mean, you don't
have to read, you know, it out over the phone. I was thinking
maybe I would contact you by mail, askin' for a list of the
victims if you have...
I think we have compiled a great number of names. In a federal
court case that we brought, in the Fall of '92, on this question,
we accused Bua and others who were supervising the Inslaw federal
grand jury of not paying attention to the fact that *their* team
of investigators were in fact terrorizing and murdering
And we accuse, in the court record, a FBI agent named Mike
"Chuckie" Peters of the same.
O.K. A lot of this I've pretty much covered already through the,
posted out on the Internet.
And one other thing that people have kind of asked me questions
about is this thing that Tsar Nicholas II and the Tsarina and
their family were not actually killed in 1918.
Well there have been a couple of books on this subject. And I
myself, in '74, with a group of my associates, went to New York
to spend two whole days interviewing Alexei Romanov, who contends
(and I believe he's correct) that he is the surviving son of Tsar
Nicholas II, and that his family were *not* murdered, as history
books state, in a basement in Siberia...
All right, so...
...but that they lived out their lives, protected by their
cousins, the British royal family, and that they were housed,
under another name, in Poland. And it's... well, you'd have to
know a lot about history, you'd have to know a lot about this
question, to understand the validity of what I'm saying.
Most of the royal families of Europe -- Russia, Germany, and
England -- are cousins. They're related...
...through Queen Victoria. And, so the uh... And, in 1970, in one
edition only, the *Chicago Tribune* wrote a story about this,
confirming from inside sources that the Tsar, his wife, and their
children were rescued and were not murdered in Ekaterenberg(?),
Siberia, as some had contended.
All right, so in the...
I think that I have extra copies of that, and I will mail you
O.K. What's... One reader...
And the *Tribune* has never recanted that story or corrected it.
It's a correct story, from United Press International.
O.K. One reader said that there's, there were actually movies of
Tsar Nicholas and his family being shot by the Bolsheviks, from
Not true. O.K. And another reader...
What happened is that the Rockefellers, that held $400 million in
gold of the *Romanov* -- not the Russian government, but of the
*Romanov* private fortune -- have a great interest to circulate
those false stories. Otherwise they might have to disgorge the
And they were the ones that financed the movie, in the early
'70s, called "Nicholas and Alexandra". And at the close of the
movie, it shows... uh, you know: the Tsar and his family being
shot to death.
You mean there's an *actual* movie of it happening? It's not
O.K. And you would...
It's *not* true.
O.K. You would say the same for supposed DNA evidence, that
that's not true?
Oh, you mean that recent stuff that came out of the post-Soviet
period there? I don't believe any of it.
And *you* wouldn't believe any of it either, if you had spent two
entire days questioning and examining, you know, uh questioning
Alexei Romanov. I mean, he's got the Tsarist family face, which
cannot -- I mean, I brought artists along to look at that face!
You can't reproduce that face. You can't fake-up that face.
Further than that, since he was a hemophiliac, as a child he wore
braces. And we discussed some inside things about that, some of
the things about wearing braces (which, of course, I'm a
paraplegic myself) that he could not have known otherwise.
I mean, we tested him out on every possible aspect. And he didn't
flunk a single question, no.
All right, and what about this Anastasia? I myself am not totally
positive on this. It seems to me that... I mean, I know there was
this controversy over this woman...
Well... the, what happened is, at the time that the Rockefellers
sponsored the Nicholas and Alexandra movie, to promote, to
further promote the idea that the Tsar had been murdered, the
reason for it is, the German high court at that time (which is
about 1971) had the case of a woman who used the name "Marian
Anderson", but who claimed that she was the surviving daughter,
...the daughter of the Tsar. And she did not succeed in court,
but that does not mean that she didn't necessarily have a valid
And then in the '50s, about 1957, um... what's her name? The
famous actress... did a movie called "Anastasia".
Yeah, I know the... I've heard of the movie. And I can't recall
the actress either. [CN -- Ingrid Bergman(?)]
In other words, there's been various efforts to further circulate
and promote these false stories that the Tsar, the Tsarina, and
their children were murdered. It did *not* happen. Those that...
And the story that ran in one edition of the *Tribune* in 1970 is
a *correct* story. They have never taken it back. They have never
O.K. I just want to close with sayin' most of my readers are very
interested in your material. And I'm real happy that you're
givin' me a chance to kind of expand on, you know, these things
that you're saying.
The Tsarist thing requires a lot of details. I have only
summarized a *very* *small* number of details.
Yeah. Uh, we're makin' progress, O.K., is... What I'm sayin', is
that, before, I would put out these 5-minute commentaries that
sometimes would raise further questions and, that I couldn't...
And the other thing that's in my 5-minute message, which there's
gotta be a lot more details discussed, that you can't do it in 5
minutes -- and that is the secret pact between...
...the Pope and the Western powers, which expired in '93. And
there's a lot to be said about that.
O.K. And I'm just sayin', see what I have to do is I've gotta
transcribe this. And this should keep me busy for a few days,
anyway, gettin' this stuff out.
If this stuff isn't clear, call me and if I'm here I certainly
will try to... I tried to summarize this quickly, but you know,
we're "documentors", you know what I mean?
And I tend to immediately supply highly detailed answers that...
well, would take...
...It would lengthen the thing out.
Let's just say, I don't make idle statements. Let's put it that
O.K. And the documents, I told ya that, you know, I had made
copies of some of your commentaries and transcribed 'em. I sent
those out in the mail to ya. Like I said, you should be gettin'
'em Friday or Saturday.
What is happening? In other words, some of the others on Internet
are getting back to you with interesting questions, huh?
Yeah! Yeah. And actually, I've *routinely* gotten these
questions, and I've been in a position of not really *knowing*,
you know? Sometimes I have *some* knowledge, myself, that I
Understand what our problem is: I operate without a secretary.
And my associates are scattered all over. So we don't have a
"secretarial staff" to speak of. And I have a listed phone number
and address, and were I to get a lot of mail to my address, I
don't think I could, you know, answer it. In other words, if
questions came to me, how would I answer all these letters? Do
you see what I mean?
So if they come to you, I'll... You ask your questions and I'll
do my best to answer 'em.
O.K. And when I get done with this, transcribin' this interview
and sendin' it out, I'll send ya a copy. Just so you know that
I'm representing you *verbatim* and I'm not...
Right. And we welcome more questions about the Barings Bank. We
are in touch with the most knowledgeable people on various
continents about it. We've... We know a great deal about it. So
we will have further messages, and I'll be glad to share the
information with you.
O.K. Thanks a lot for your time.