BEHIND THE "GULF WAR SYNDROME" AND OKC RESCUE TEAM ILLNESSES
Interview with Sherman H. Skolnick, March 8, 1996
SHERMAN SKOLNICK [continues]:
Now the others that have commented about the Oklahoma bombing,
for example that top FBI official [Ted Gunderson] and that
retired top Brigadier General [Partin], they, apparently,
somewhere in their careers, signed national security oaths. I
never did. I never was in such a position, therefore I'm not
obligated to stay shut about this. Maybe they are. They've
commented that the government's version of the bombing is not
That's much of the secret, that there is this radioactive illness
now. It's just, it didn't get in front of the public.
In your latest story, "The Oklahoma Bombings and the Radioactive
Cover-Up", you mention people that are dragging themselves to
work. And it sounds like it's really a sad story.
It is; it's terrible. I promised myself I will risk my neck in
every way to see what can be done for those people. *All* the
details are not known. People that know about it talk in
whispers. People are afraid to death, because this is really a...
When you're talkin' about the radioactivity and stuff like that
you can get right into the national security end of it. And
there's not too many people that want to talk. They talk to you
with the promise that you'll never mention their name -- and
nobody's gonna get their name out of me. I don't care how much
people heckle me. *I* know what the circumstances are and I am
going to bring it before the public as best I can.
When you were first developing this story and I talked with you,
it was like you had just talked with some of these people...
I was greatly misunderstood, because the problem is technical.
The story about the radiation started out as a 5-minute recorded
commentary [(312) 731-1100]. And in a 5-minute recorded
commentary you cannot *always* make it so plain that you won't be
misunderstood. Some people got the idea that I was talking about
a nuclear bomb. But this was some radioactive material that in
some way was "piggy-backed" onto conventional weapons the way
some terrorists in recent times have tried to do in other
countries. (They tried, but it was stopped by the French secret
police. Terrorists tried to do it in Paris.)
But here, I'm not saying that terrorists did the thing in
Oklahoma. In fact, I'm inclined to believe that there was
government complicity. But I'd rather focus in on the fact that,
howsoever the bombing occurred in Oklahoma -- *bombings*, in the
plural -- that the people that were on a mission of mercy are
suffering extreme health problems. And I believe, from the
details, they're dying from radioactive poisoning, exposure.
So far I haven't got much feedback. One Conspiracy Nation (CN)
How about if Skolnick provides a list of all these "deathly
ill" people dying of radiation poisoning? Seems to me there
would be no way to cover this up in this day and age.
Well, I promised these people their names wouldn't come before
the public, because some of them continue to drag themselves to
work. And they may or may not be entirely plugged into -- what is
the word? "Current reality" or something? In other words, they
think they can beat it if they can just keep going.
The others, that are at home, sick, figure that if they "run
their mouth" they won't get *any* medical treatment at all.
They're being called "malingerers" now. And if they "ran their
In other words, it's the same problem with the ex-GIs that came
back from the Gulf War.
Same with Agent Orange, too.
Right. They ran substantial risk. If there was an honest press,
across the board, in the United States -- yes, we'd give out the
whole list and demand that these people get proper treatment. But
they run substantial risk. Some of them are still working. They
hope to continue working although they have to drag themselves in
I promised not to use their names. So if somebody comes along and
says, "Well, Skolnick, if you don't supply the names then we're
gonna call you a liar," *I* *don't* *care*. I'm prepared to take
all the heat. I know what this is about. I don't care how I am
heckled, I am gonna be in the forefront of trying to get some
remedy for these people -- irrespective of whether I am
disbelieved in the beginning.
It's kind of like Agent Orange, too. If you remember, during the
Viet Nam War and thereafter, for *years* they were saying, "No,
no. No 'Agent Orange.'"
Right. For having miscarriages, of their wives, or whatever the
poisoning was, by some method spread to newborn children, it
spread to other children in the house. It's like the whole
household was down sick and the Veterans Administration says, "Go
back to work. You're just a 'goldbrick'. You're a 'malingerer.'"
Another CN reader writes, "What a great smorgasbord: Skolnick,
AIDS, and now Spotlight! Tasty!! (and mentally nutritious, too)
That Media Bypass stuff has blown us away!"
Well I've gotten comments from militia and other people. (I'm not
a member of any militia nor necessarily a supporter. I try to
stay within my role as a commentator and journalist.)
But I intend to lead a campaign to help these people that tried
to rescue other people in Oklahoma and are now, apparently, dying
from radiation exposure. And the government is prepared to deny
it for some years to come. And as the time passes, these people
(I hate to predict, but), these people, by the time the
government gets around to telling the truth, will be dead.
Have I missed anything? Is there anything else that you wanted to
No, but I think the Gulf War thing and now this tends to show
that the government lies.
[laughs] Yeah. That's the understatement of the day. They're
always lyin'. The amazing thing is that people still will believe
what they say.
If some of the victims want, themselves, to go public with the
thing, that's their choice. But I promised silence, as far as
their names. I won't give out their names.
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Mr. Skolnick is founder/chairman, since 1963, of the public
interest reform group, Citizens' Committee to Clean Up the
Courts, investigating and researching judicial bribery and
political murders. Since 1971, he has been editor of a 5-minute
recorded phone commentary, HOTLINE NEWS, (312) 731-1100, a
regular phone call, on 24 hours per day, changed several times
per week. Since 1991, he has been a regular panelist, now the
moderator, of a weekly public access one-hour Cable TV Show,
"Broadsides", available to some 400,000 households. His comments
appear on several news groups on Internet and on the World Wide
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