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INTERVIEW  WITH  GEORGE KNAPP OF KLAS-TV (LAS VEGAS,  NEVADA)  ON 
 NOVEMBER  17,  1989.   INTERVIEWED  BY  CHUCK  HARDER,  HOST  AND 
 MODERATOR OF 'FOR THE PEOPLE' OF THE SUN RADIO NETWORK. 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 My guest has (now) called in and I'm going to run down who he  is 
 and where he's from for a number of reasons, some of them for his 
 own protection.  George, are you there... 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Hello Chuck. 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 Please tell us, you are George Knapp, right... 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 That's right. 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 George, what do you do for a living? 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 I'm  a  journalist with KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, the  CBS  affiliate 
 here. 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 So you are a TV newsman... 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Right. 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 And you work for Channel 8, KLAS-TV in Las Vegas, Nevada... 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Right. 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 I  understand  that  you have come  upon  some  very  interesting 
 information and you've done some special reports, could you  tell 
 us about it...? 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Well  we  just  finished a nine-part series -- what  may  be  the 
 longest series that's ever been done on this subject dealing with 
 UFOs. 

  

 Our  research actually started about two and a half years ago,  a 
 fellow named John Lear, the son of the guy who invented the  Lear 
 Jet brought some of this information to our attention.  In May of 
 this year, Mr. Lear introduced us to a fellow who claims to  have 
 worked  at a secret base designated S-4...on a top-secret  Nevada 
 test  site...the  fellow said that he worked on  flying  saucers, 
 that  the technology was not from Earth, and we  interviewed  him 
 live  in silhouette in May, the response was incredible...we  got 
 response  from Japan, parts of that interview aired on  radio  in 
 Europe, and six different European countries...so we decided with 
 this much interest we might want to take a look at the subject in 
 more depth. 

  

 We  started doing that and the first thing we found out  is  that 
 really  UFOs  have  not been given a fair shake  by  science,  by 
 government,  by religion and especially by journalism.   Millions 
 of  people  have seen UFOs, millions more believe...I  think  the 
 latest  Gallup  poll shows about 70 percent  of  college-educated 
 Americans  believe that there's something to it, but  because  of 
 the tabloid aspects...'The Girl Who Gives Birth to 52 UFO Babies' 
 --  kind  of things in the National Enquirer, people  have  shied 
 away  from  it...Serious  people have  shied  away.   Scientists, 
 although  they might be interested in searching the universe  for 
 radio signals really don't want to look in their own back yard -- 
 they can't get grants...people would laugh at them.  Journalism - 
 - the coverage is generally condescending and quirky,  especially 
 by  the networks, as in the coverage of this UFO that  supposedly 
 landed in the USSR, people making fun of it...so, we figured  out 
 that millions of people want to know as Roy Neary, the guy in the 
 'Close Encounters' movie said, 'What's going on?'  So we  started 
 investigating it.  The focal point of the story being this fellow 
 who  said he worked at S-4.  We broke his identity  last  Friday. 
 His name is Bob Lazar, he is a former scientist who worked at Los 
 Alamos  National  Labs,  he  is a physicist...we  did  a  lot  of 
 checking on him and found interestingly enough that his life  was 
 disappearing  around  him.  In other words we called  Los  Alamos 
 Labs and they said they never heard of him.  We called MIT  where 
 he  says he went to school and they had never heard of  him.   We 
 called  for  his Birth records and they had  disappeared...as  if 
 someone  was  trying to make him a non-person.   We  did  however 
 confirm  some of the information that he had given us...we  found 
 newspaper articles from Los Alamos indicating that he had  indeed 
 worked  there...we found an old telephone book from the lab  with 
 his name in it, which gave him a certain amount of credibility in 
 our eyes.  The story he tells is an incredible one.  He was hired 
 to work at this area called S-4 on the test site, he was flown up 
 to  a place called Groom Lake -- taken by bus with no windows  to 
 S-4...the  base  is  built almost to look like its  part  of  the 
 desert  with  sand covered hanger doors, he goes  inside  and  he 
 starts reading these briefing papers dealing with UFOs!  Pictures 
 of  UFOs  on the walls, pictures of aliens,  autopsy  reports  on 
 alien bodies...things of this nature -- he's pretty amazed.  Then 
 he sees the discs.  He says there are nine of the discs up there, 
 they are powered by an anti-matter reactor which produces its own 
 gravitational  field...technology  that does not  exist  on  this 
 planet,  and the interesting thing...he thought for a while  that 
 perhaps  it was just an advanced secret scientific  project  that 
 our  government  is pursuing until he looked inside  one  of  the 
 discs and noticed the small furniture...all the chairs were built 
 like  for children...and then things started coming together  for 
 him.  Are you with me Chuck? 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 I'm listening. 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Er, I'm not sure how much detail you want me to go in on... 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 Oh I think you ought to keep going. 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Well, this fellow was up there for only a few months.  And it was 
 a  rough place for him to work...the security was so hard and  he 
 was  being harassed at home, his phones being tapped...plus  he's 
 on to what he thinks are the secrets of the universe...he  starts 
 to tell other people about it, confide with close friends. 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 Ummmmmm..... 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 He  had  the  date of a couple of tests and  on  two  consecutive 
 weekends  he  took  people  up into the  desert  outside  of  the 
 boundaries  of area S-4, and they video taped the  saucers...what 
 looks like a saucer coming over the mountains! 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 Wow... 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 We showed that video as well... 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 Uh-huh.... 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Five different people that we interviewed that had gone up  there 
 confirmed the same story...we also had confirmation of other bits 
 of  his  story  from other people, a former  security  guard  who 
 worked  up  there...who said he had seen the  saucers,  a  former 
 technician... 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 By  the  way,  excuse me, I have some letters  from  some  people 
 postmarked  from  that area, one inside of a base, who  tells  me 
 what you're saying is true.  Keep going. 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Ah,  we also found a Nellis Airman who had been on radar duty  at 
 Nellis  airbase  which is here just south of the area  that  this 
 fellow is talking about...he reported numerous times seeing... 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 George,  excuse me...let me do the half hour news break,  I  want 
 you to tell your story, I want America to hear it...please  stand 
 by. 

  

 >>>>At  this point the SUN RADIO NETWORK runs the half hour  news 
 headlines and sports audio package from UPI<<<< 

  

 (After news the guest is re-introduced for listeners who may have 
 just tuned in...) 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 How many reports did you do, George? 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 We did nine total in this series. 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 Ok, now at the time we went to news on the half hour you told  me 
 that a scientist named Bob Lazar... 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Right... 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 Ok,  came  to  you  and came to the  public  and  apparently  was 
 concerned for his safety because he wanted to tell America or get 
 news out that - yes, the Federal Government has nine saucers, and 
 yes they are near...it's near Nellis, is it not? 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Yes. 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 Cause  I  have letters from people who are at  Nellis.   Some  of 
 which  don't  want to give their name, some of which  gave  their 
 name, I have the postmarks.  Tell us now if you would, start  the 
 story  from the fact that the gentleman has revealed  that  there 
 are nine of these things.  We're listening and so is America. 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Well,  we  wanted  to  try to confirm as much  of  his  story  as 
 possible from other sources of course, so we started looking  for 
 other  people  who  might have knowledge of what's  going  on  up 
 there...as I mentioned, I found a former security guard who  said 
 that  he  had  seen  the  saucers up  there,  I  found  a  former 
 technician who said that he had walked into a room  inadvertently 
 and saw one under a tarp, we found a Nellis airman who had worked 
 in  radar  and said that basically he and his fellow  airman  has 
 seen these things flying over the Groom Mountains at speeds up to 
 7,000  miles  per  hour on radar...these things would stop  on  a 
 dime,  so  the  guy knew that this is not your  average  airplane 
 that's doing this.  We also interviewed the other people who went 
 with  Lazar  up  on  two consecutive weeks,  they  test  them  on 
 Wednesdays for some reason,  and videotaped the tests,  saw these 
 things flying over the mountains and confirmed his story as well. 

  

 We put these questions to the Navy, who Lazar says he worked  for 
 up  there  --  we made Freedom of Information  Act  requests  for 

 information about the various specific programs he mentioned,  of 
 course  the Navy denied having any information on  the  programs. 
 Of  course in those requests we also asked for other  information 
 about  UFOs, stuff the Navy has already released and they  denied 
 having that information as well -- so I don't put a lot of  faith 
 in the FOIA requests. 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 In  other  words, what you're saying is  that  your  organization 
 which  is  KLAS-TV  in Las Vegas, plus many  other  UFO  research 
 groups  have  uncovered many UFO documents  that  the  government 
 says, 'Yeah, we got them and yeah it's true'...but then when  you 
 ask them again they say, 'No, we don't have them!' 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Exactly...that's exactly correct! 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 I  understand  from MUFON and many other groups  that  there  are 
 somewhere  from  four  to seven  thousand  documents  that  prove 
 that...yes  these  things exist, copies of the documents  are  in 
 private  hands, then you go and ask the government and they  say, 
 'Well, er, no we don't remember...' 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 The  government says that they have done these studies  that  say 
 that  UFOs  are no threat to national  security,  they're  either 
 psychological aberrations, which means that people are nuts  when 
 they see them, that's what they feed the public...but behind  the 
 scenes  they  are  very concerned  about  the  national  security 
 implications of UFOs that land at nuclear missile bases and can't 
 be  caught, things of that nature.  So the government  from  what 
 I've  read  is  very concerned about the  phenomena  and  doesn't 
 really  understand  it.   The government on the  other  hand  has 
 outright lied concerning what information it does have...the  CIA 
 for   example  says  it  doesn't  collect  any   information   on 
 UFOs...well  that's  just patently not true.  We  have  documents 
 from  the  CIA, a lot of it is blacked out,  which  mentions  UFO 
 studies  by  the  CIA,  UFO  research,  CIA-UFO  experts,  agency 
 personnel who are monitoring the phenomenon, so they have lied to 
 us all along.  I didn't expect to get any confirmation  regarding 
 what Lazar has to say, but had to give it a try anyway. 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 Before  we  went  to the half-hour break you said  that  when  he 
 looked  inside  one of these discs there were  little  furniture, 
 give me some information... 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Well  he  feels that they were bringing him along, giving  him  a 
 piece  at  a time.  He would see a saucer one day,  the  next  he 
 would see the hanger doors open and see all nine of  them...after 
 that he got to see the inside of the thing.  He also got to see a 
 demonstration  of  it.   He  was told to  stand  back  and  watch 
 this...and  the thing lights up real bright...I guess  the  power 
 that's  produced  is  incredible, you need to  produce  your  own 
 gravitational  field  and it raised up, he wasn't  sure  who  was 
 flying  it or was it remotely or what.  He watched it  raise  up, 
 did a couple of maneuvers and sat back down.  Part of the  reason 
 he came forward, not to spill the secrets of the universe or  the 
 government,  but because the research that's being done up  there 
 is being handled in a clumsy fashion.  If they have had these for 
 as  long as forty years, which is what he believes, they  haven't 
 come  to far in trying to understand them.  Some of the discs  he 
 said  he saw up there were being taken apart, kind of  a  reverse 
 archaeology  process to figure out how they worked.   Some of the 
 research  going on up there is aimed at trying to  duplicate  the 
 things  that  these machines can do using earth technologies  and 
 earth  materials and he says it just can't be done.   The key  to 
 the flying of the things is something he calls 'Element 115'...it 
 does not exist on our periodic charts,  he believes that wherever 
 it came from its a naturally occurring element,  he says we  have 
 500  pounds of this stuff up there,  just a little tiny sliver of 
 it produces incredible amounts of power.   Its the '115' that  we 
 will  not be able to duplicate so he thinks...one of the  reasons 
 that he came forward is because scientists all over the world are 
 working,  putting  their energy into trying to master the secrets 
 of  gravity  and the secrets of anti-matter technology  and  here 
 we've got it up there and they're not doing a very good job  with 
 it  -- this  little batch of scientists hidden out in the  desert 
 are trying to figure it out and not doing a very good job... 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 But this is kind of common with the United States  government...I 
 read a tremendous amount of material...I read a tremendous amount 
 of  material...I read five newspapers a day and I'll  find  where 
 one group in one part of the country is working on a project  and 
 I'll  get a clipping where another group is working on  the  same 
 project, I've contacted them and they don't know of each other! 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Yeah,    Yeah   --   that's   exactly   right...he    said    the 
 compartmentalization  up  there was very severe as well  so  that 
 nobody had the full picture -- I guess so nobody could spill  the 
 beans as he has been trying to do. 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 Alright,  what does he feel the public should know and what  does 
 he feel should be done? 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Well, he's not on a campaign, what he really wanted to do was  to 
 save  his  own  life.  He started having some  problems  when  it 
 became obvious to his employers that he was telling someone  else 
 about this. 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 We're talking about Bob Lazar now... 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Bob Lazar...his phone being tapped, people visiting him,  calling 
 him  up with a single word message -- DEAD -- then they hang  up! 
 He  tried to arrange meetings with his former supervisor and  the 
 meetings didn't come off,  he says somebody took a shot at him on 
 the freeway...obviously he realizes that if they really wanted to 
 kill  him,  they could.   Maybe perhaps they were just trying  to 
 shut him up.   He feels that what is going on up there is a crime 
 against  the entire scientific community...not only the  American 
 people because we don't know what's going on and we haven't  been 
 told  alien  technology exists,  but also against the  scientific 
 community.  So, what else can I tell ya? 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 What does he say about the aliens? 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 He's  reluctant  to talk about that, apparently he did  see  some 
 aliens up there... 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 Excuse me, are you telling me there were live aliens? 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Yeah,  he's kind of sketchy on the details of that, and  I  don't 
 think  I should go much further on that...part of the  discussion 
 until  I can talk to him, but he has indications that  there  are 
 aliens up there, at least one... 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 Live? 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Yeah,  it's pretty wild, I know and I didn't include that in  our 
 reports  because I couldn't confirm any thing of that  nature,  I 
 couldn't find anyone else who had seen them up there so... 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 What did they look like? 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Your  classic  Grey...the  little  big-headed  almond   eyed-grey 
 skinned being...the same ones in the classic descriptions of  the 
 UFO literature...he's kind of squeamish talking about it as  well 
 because it sounds so crazy... 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 I  don't  think it's crazy at all, there was an article,  let  me 
 digress for a moment, there was an article yesterday on the front 
 page of The Wall Street Journal where the FDA that stopped all of 
 the grapes from Chile last March...apparently somebody laced  two 
 of  the  grapes with cyanide a couple of hours  before  the  FDA, 
 stumbled  on them and it was an inside job apparently  while  the 
 grapes  were in the inspection station...and it was not  done  on 
 the way, so somebody's lying there -- we're talking of two little 
 grapes  that  almost  bankrupted the country of  Chile!   If  two 
 little grapes...and such a story hits the front page of The  Wall 
 Street  Journal  about the questions about the  truthfulness  and 
 what happened with the FDA, what about this...how would this ever 
 get out if they would cover up a story about TWO LITTLE GRAPES?! 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Well,  I tell you we asked the question, the obvious question, if 
 this is true;  how can the government keep this a secret all this 
 time?   A  story this big -- the government leaks like a sieve on 
 other things, how could the coverup exist? 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 Oh, I'll tell you... 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 To  which Lazar responds, this is the easiest...and he asked  the 
 question to his superiors up there, it's the easiest thing in the 
 world  to keep a secret because if it does come out, little  bits 
 and pieces, who's going to believe it? 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 Exactly...let me, you remember the Condon Report, do you not? 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Yes... 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 For  those  who  are listening, I  got  into  this  investigation 
 because I kept getting letters from our listeners who said, Chuck 
 you ought to investigate this...we've investigated many things in 
 the  past such as the GM Diesel coverup, we're working on  a  pay 
 phone  coverup, we've done things with Ralph Nader...and  so  on. 
 So we started buying the books and contacting UFO  organizations. 
 I then found that there was a guy named Phil Klass who was always 
 there...somehow  he as always there and he said  that  everything 
 was bunk!  And of course, he works for the Aviation Week magazine 
 which is of course is the mouthpiece for the  Military/Industrial 
 complex  and they certainly wouldn't want this technology  to  be
 out!   I  was also amazed when I saw the stealth  bomber  (tests) 
 live  on  CNN one Saturday and a small plane landed at  the  same 
 place, (runway) do you remember that...? 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Yes... 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 My  question is:  If the Stealth Bomber was so super-secret,  how 
 could a man and his children land their little tiny plane on  the 
 same  runway at a super-secret airforce base?  How could he  have 
 pierced the radar and fighter jets and so forth?  My feeling was, 
 probably the Stealth Bomber was obsolete and nobody was watching! 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Yeah,  I'd  have  to  agree with you,  because  the  security  up 
 there...the only thing that comes out of that place is what  they 
 want out of it. 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 So what your talking about then, since the Condon Committee, Phil 
 Klass  and all the of the spokespeople who are supposed  to  know 
 everything,  what your saying is the ridicule  factor...if  Billy 
 Bob sees a flying saucer and even has a photo of it and takes  it 
 to the paper, everybody laughs at him! 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 There  are  actual documents the government has  released  (Under 
 Freedom  of Information Act) that show it has an  active  program 
 that  started  back in the fifties...the CIA even used  the  term 
 DEBUNKING,  there  were discussions about using  Walt  Disney  to 
 produce  cartoons  that made fun of people who  had  seen  flying 
 saucers...they  were  going to bring Arthur Godfrey in  as  their 
 spokesperson.   Phil Klass as you mentioned, he's explained  away 
 UFO  sightings seen by thousands of people as  the  constellation 
 ORION,  when  you can only see ORION from the other side  of  the 
 planet. 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 Uh huh... 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 He  uses things like Ball Lightning, plasma balls to explain  the 
 sightings where plasma balls only last for a few seconds and  the 
 examples  that he is trying to explain occur in  cloudless  skies 
 where  there  is  no lightning around.  You  mention  the  Condon 
 report, that's a perfect example of the kinds of things that  the 
 government  has done in the past, they commission a  study,  it's 
 supposed to be THE STUDY, but the guy they hire to run the thing, 
 Edward Condon had before he even started, that there was  nothing 
 to UFOs, the government should get out of it, and he also said at 
 one  point that the authors of UFO books should be  HORSEWHIPPED! 
 One  of  the  explanations that came from  the  Condon  Committee 
 witnessed  by  several people, they described it  as,  a  natural 
 phenomena so rare that it has never been seen before or since!  I 
 don't think this kind of a thing is an accident! 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 Ok,  the Soviet Union and Tass gave their report (of a  UFO)  and 
 from what I have heard there are different kinds of aliens,  some 
 have been coming here for years and years and it's nothing new... 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Right... 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 Why  is  it  in some parts of the world (now) they  report  other 
 types of humanoids and other types of vehicles...I happen to have 
 beautiful photos of some,  and as I told you  off-the-air,  we're 
 going  to be releasing them in our upcoming magazine  if  someone 
 doesn't stick a dagger through my heart... 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 You're  talking about the Billy Meier case,  if you want to touch 
 on that, we also did some investigation on that... 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 Ok, go ahead. 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Billy Meier,  I've always been intrigued by that,  and wanted  to 
 check  them  out.   Its been pretty much written-off by  the  UFO 
 community  but when we put questions to them about the case  they 
 can't explain exactly why so we traveled to Phoenix and talked to 
 Lee  Elders one of the lead investigators on the Billy Meier case 
 and  started  going  over the  evidence.   The  photos  had  been 
 analyzed  by independent experts,  the film footage and video had 
 been  analyzed,  the metal sample had been confirmed as something 
 we  don't have -- technology of cold fusion was used  to  produce 
 this metal,  the landing sites,  the strange circular patterns in 
 the  grass  that  are now only gaining attention in  Britain  and 
 other  countries,  all of this stuff had never been  pretty  much 
 discounted  by  the  UFO community because  Elders  and  Wendelle 
 Stevens   had   gone  outside  of  the  UFO  community   to   get 
 confirmation.   The  UFO  people were kept out of it,  the  Billy 
 Meier  case I think exemplifies the biggest weakness  in  UFOLOGY 
 and  that's  the  jealousy that permeates  the  field...everybody 
 wants  to be the only one with the real story of  UFOs,  so  they 
 kind  of  written this guy off only because he  didn't  cooperate 
 with them. 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 We  have been able to get some photos from a source who has  some 
 negatives  that  were just recently located...some from ten  feet 
 away,  I used to be in the motion picture business.   If they are 
 models  they  cost thousands of dollars and I doubt if  a  simple 
 Swiss farmer could have done it... 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 I'd agree with ya,  the reason we got interested in Billy  Meier, 
 it  goes back to Lazar,  was because Bob Lazar says,  the  saucer 
 that  he  saw fly,  he dubbed it the sport model,  was  the  same 
 saucer in the Meier photos, exactly the same. 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 The new ones or the old ones? 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 The new one. 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 Ok, that's the one we've got. 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Going  back to the things he saw (Lazar) at S-4,  he saw the nine 
 saucers, he said all nine of them were different, like we got the 
 variety  pack,  but  the one he saw fly was like the one  in  the 
 Meier  photo.   (There  are  Three types  photographed  by  Billy 
 Meier.) 

  

 That's  why we decided to check out the Meier part of  the  (UFO) 
 story. 

  

 >>>>At this point Chuck Harder tells George Knapp that there is a 
 break coming up and after the break would he please tell Mr.  and 
 Mrs. America what they should do to get the truth.<<<< 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 I  hope that Mr.  and Mrs.  America make note of the name  George 
 Knapp and Bob Lazar so that if anything ever happens to them, you 
 know why. 

  

                           GEORGE KNAPP 

 Someone  should  tell  us what's going on...TV  and  movies  have 
 conditioned  us...we  won't panic...Jimmy Carter when he ran  for 
 President  promised that if he was elected that he vowed to  open 
 all the UFO files and he didn't -- we wrote to him asking why and 
 he  didn't respond.   We want the government to come  clean.   If 
 that  takes a Congressional Investigation...that's something that 
 should be looked at.  If it is launched we have to make sure that 
 there  are no CIA,  contractors and the like  involved  otherwise 
 people  aren't  going to believe it.   We've seen enough of  this 
 whitewash stuff over the years.  If there's nothing to the story, 
 then open up the files and prove it to us! 

  

                           CHUCK HARDER 

 OK,  have the government let the press into these areas and don't 
 first clean them out... 

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