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        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Hi, JB!
       JB (not the Scotch)  | Hi,  bear with me, just getting the hang of 
                            | this...
       Cult Of The Mad Dog  | <>
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Welcome to UFO, then!
                            | Hi, COTMD!
       Cult Of The Mad Dog  | <> Hiya Deb : )
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Mark?
       Cult Of The Mad Dog  | Hi JB!
       JB (not the Scotch)  | Saw the notice and thought I'd check it out
       Cult Of The Mad Dog  | At your service.
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | I'm glad, JB!
                            | Thought so.
                            |  back!
                            | So - anything happening tonight?
       Cult Of The Mad Dog  | You CO?
       JB (not the Scotch)  | With regard to WHAT ??
       Cult Of The Mad Dog  | Your even.
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Sorta, Mark.
                            | Just wondered...
                            | if the two of you had any particular topic.
                            | Hi, Admiral!
       Mark                 | Ummmm.....gimme a sec, I had something on a 
                            | bit of paper.
        Admiral Smith       | HI, Debbie
                            | Sorry, a bit slow tonight
       Mark                 | Hi Ryan! :)
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | What's that, Mark?
       Mark                 | It was something I read today......
        Admiral Smith       | Cult of the mad dog, huh?
       Mark                 | about an asteroid........
        Admiral Smith       | Variation of cult of the mad cow?
       Mark                 | that came VERY near to hitting us.......
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | When, Mark?
       Mark                 | but suddenly changed course!!.......
       JB (not the Scotch)  | Very near in galactic terms???
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | No way!
       Mark                 | it was a few months back.
       JB (not the Scotch)  | as in a few million miles
       Mark                 | JB : Yup, like a few miles.
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Mark, I'm skeptical.
       Mark                 | Yes, Way ........
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Can you give us a date?
       JB (not the Scotch)  | Would an event of that proximity wreak havoc 
                            | on the 
                            | tides, etc...???
       Mark                 | seriously I took the info down on a piece of 
                            | paper rather than 
                            | buy the whole magazine .......
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | It would depend on how big and how close, JB.
                            | HI, Frank!
       Frank Stanley        | Hi Debbie and All
       JB (not the Scotch)  | Yeah and mass too, I'm sure (less mass 
                            | probably 
                            | like a gnat on you at the beach...)
       Mark                 | And now I cant find were I've put it <>
       Frank Stanley        | What's the topic?
        Admiral Smith       | If it was the size of the thing in ID4, it 
                            | would kill a 
                            | few tides
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Mark read about an asteroid that almost hit 
                            | the 
                            | earth.
                            | I STILL haven't seen ID4.
                            | 
       Mark                 | Me neither, not out here till Aug 9th. : (
       JB (not the Scotch)  | You must be tho only one...
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Probably!
       Frank Stanley        | When did this happen?
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | That's what we're trying to find out, Frank.
       Mark                 | A few months back Frank.
       JB (not the Scotch)  | I hear ID4 (pt. 2) ins already on the board...
       Frank Stanley        | Where did you learn about this Mark?
       Mark                 | In "Focus" magazine.
                            | This months issue.
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Hi, Susanne!
       Frank Stanley        | Im sorry what is Focus?
                            | Hi Sus
       §usanne              | Hi! :)
                            | Debbie, you can call me Sus... its easier.
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Hi, Daniel!
        Admiral Smith       | Hi Dan
       Mark                 | Its a UK magazine, kind of like a "Whats New 
                            | In The World 
                            | Of Technology" magazine.
       Daniel Roberts       | Hello to all--is this a formal conference?
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | No it isn't, Daniel.
       Daniel Roberts       | TNX
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Mark, is it available over here?
                            | Do you have any ideas?
                            | Oh, and Frank....
                            | I have a question for you.
       Mark                 | Im not sure Deb, would have to check.
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | I'll look for it.
       JB (not the Scotch)  | So mark, have you found the article yet...or 
                            | should I 
                            | drop off and surf the net for it...
       Mark                 | JB : I didnt buy the mag, I just noted down a 
                            | few details on a 
                            | piece of paper which I cant find at the 
                            | moment.
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Well, keep looking, Mark.
                            | Frank....
                            | are you keeping up with the work of Dr. Roger 
                            | Leir?
                            | Hi, Sarak!
       Frank Stanley        | I know about it but do not regularly keep up 
                            | with it. 
                            | What is going on Debbie?
        Admiral Smith       | Hi Sarak
       Sarak                | Hello
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | That's what I hoped you knew!
       Sarak                | Please don't let me interupt, continue
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | he was waiting for some test results.
        Admiral Smith       | What's Sarak?
       Frank Stanley        | Is he the son of the Lear jet magnet?
       Sarak                | Spokes father
                            | Spocks father
       Frank Stanley        | That's Spock
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | That's what I thought.
       Frank Stanley        | GMTA
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Whew!
       §usanne              | 
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | So - no one has heard anything about the 
                            | analysis?
       §usanne              | Nope... sorry.
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Well, rats.
       Daniel Roberts       | Analysis of what?
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | I was hoping someone had.
        Admiral Smith       | Sorry Sarak, you're wrong
                            | Spock's father was named Sarek
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Daniel, Dr. Leir is the one overseeing the 
                            | removal 
                            | of implants...
        Admiral Smith       | Sorry
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | from several abductees.
        Admiral Smith       | I'm very slow tonight
       Frank Stanley        | Oh that Dr. Leir
       Daniel Roberts       | OIC!
       Frank Stanley        | He is not the guy who carries them around in 
                            | a case is 
                            | he?
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Yes.
                            | No, that's Darryl Sims.
       Mark                 | <>
       Daniel Roberts       | Deb (may I call you that?) What are the 
                            | implants for??
       Sarak                | Thank you, I just took the name for those of 
                            | you who 
                            | I have spoken to, you know me as Mark M.
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Sure, Daniel.
                            | Hi, Tom!
       §usanne              | Hi Tom!!! :)
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Daniel, the people involved just knew they 
                            | were 
                            | there.
       Tom G                | Evening, all!
       Sarek                | Hello Tom
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | And he took two of 'em outta someone's big 
                            | toe..
                            | he's a podiatrist...
                            | and is supervising taking them outta some 
                            | other 
                            | people.
       Daniel Roberts       | Howdy, Tom! Deb: But what do they do? 
                            | Tracking devices or what? Mind control??
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Daniel, they don't know.
                            | Tom - keeping up with the implant removal?
       Tom G                | Damn silly place to put an implant, though. 
                            | Think about it - the big toe is used for all 
                            | kinds of sensory input.
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | no kidding!
                            | So why there?
                            | It's not like they wanted them there!
       Mark                 | Last place you would look?
       Tom G                | Debbie - not really.
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | The people, I mean, Tom.
                            | They wanted them out.
                            | What's your take on all this, then?
       Daniel Roberts       | Big toe is necessary feedback sensor for 
                            | equilibrium--direct tap to the 
                            | brain/cerebellum?
       Tom G                | I think a certain podiatrist has discovered a 
                            | new way to make some money. :-)
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Tom, I talked to him.
       Daniel Roberts       | People who lose theri big toe through 
                            | accidenty have a lot of difficulty with 
                            | balance, gait, and spatial relations.
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | I don't feel that way at all.
       Tom G                | I mean - look. If I needed to put a tracker 
                            | in somebody, I'd pick one of the large and 
                            | not-terribly enervated
                            | muscles - the thigh or the bicep.
        Raven/SL16          | Evenin' ya'll!
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Tom, fair enough.
                            | Hi, Rave!
       Daniel Roberts       | Deb: Wherre else have these implants beeen 
                            | found?
       Tom G                | Raven, Sugah!
        Raven/SL16          | Hey Deb!
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | But I saw the video of the implant removal.
       Daniel Roberts       | Hello Raven!
        Raven/SL16          | Tom Tom Sugah!
       Frank Stanley        | Hi Rave
        Raven/SL16          | Hen Daniel!
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | These things were deep.
        Raven/SL16          | Hiya Frank!
                            | Hey too. 
       Sarek                | If you belive as I that Aliens are the 
                            | missing link and 
                            | the orientals are closest in features and 
                            | mind 
                            | capacity in their beliefs, you must refer to 
                            | the 
                            | concept of accupunture. The big toe is 
                            | considered 
                            | the window to the body, so it would make 
                            | sense that 
                            | is where they would implant a monitoring 
                            | device
       §usanne              | Hi Raven! :)
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | And, according to Dr. Leir...
        Raven/SL16          | Hi Sus!
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | there were no external scars where the 
                            | implants 
                            | could have been put in.
                            | Sarek....
                            | I didn't realize that.
                            | Okay, Tom....
       Sarek                | To lift a nail and put it back would not show 
                            | any 
                            | evidence of probing
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | have you read anything about the metallic 
                            | analysis?
       Mark                 | Nope, sorry, can't find that bit of paper,  
                            | when I do I'll post 
                            | in this section.
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Thanks, Mark!
       Tom G                | Yeah - that's bogus as well. At least the one 
                            | I read was. It's all biologically active 
                            | material..
       Frank Stanley        | Debbie is there any new leaks out of NASA 
                            | regarding 
                            | astronauts experiences with UFOs
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Nope, Frank.
                            | No way!
       Tom G                | *not* what you would make an implant out of. 
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Won't happen.
                            | Is there any possibility that the material is 
                            | a 
                            | superconductor?
                            | The bismuth layering is odd.
       Daniel Roberts       | Frank: Know the official NASA book "This New 
                            | Ocean"??
       Tom G                | Look - I have metal in *me* - courtesy of 
                            | some over-zealous troopies on the ground...
       Sarek                | Pick up any good radio stations Tom?
       Frank Stanley        | Never head of it Daniel what is it?
       Tom G                | fragments of FMJ that are too small to bother 
                            | taking out.  The only thing left is the outer 
                            | jacket - the inner jacket
                            | got absorbed long ago.
       Daniel Roberts       | Official NASA history of Project Mecury. 
                            | Gordon Cooper's statements in there are very 
                            | revealing.
       Frank Stanley        | What does he say?
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Tom, have you read anything about the 
                            | preliminary 
                            | findings of the analysis of the implants?
                            | Yes, Daniel, what?
       Tom G                | Some time ago, Deb. I'll have to dig 'em out 
                            | one of these days. 
       Daniel Roberts       | Abouy the craft seen in close earth orbit by 
                            | John Gleen, G. Cooper and others--later NASA 
                            | issued a retraction publication.
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | I'm looking at 'em.
       Tom G                | Are they in a reviewed publication? 
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Nope, International MUFON proceedings.
       JB (not the Scotch)  | I was cut off, anythings happen...???
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | He says the formal analysis will be.
                            | JB, talking about the Gemini sightings...
                            | and the implant removal.
                            | Hi, John!
       John                 | Hello
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | I'm trying to get Bruce in here.
        Raven/SL16          | Hey John!
       John                 | Hey Raven!
        Admiral Smith       | Hi Bruce
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Hey, Bruce!
       JB (not the Scotch)  | Debbie, I was asking a question about your 
                            | sig..
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | We were talking about the implant removal.
       JB (not the Scotch)  | Doe it mean something ?
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Oh, JB!
       Bruce Maccabee       | Hi Admiral....
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Sorry.
                            | Yes, it means I'm the Section Leader of 
                            | sections 13 
                            | and 21.
        Raven/SL16          | Hiya Bruce!
       Frank Stanley        | Hi Dr,. Maccabee
       Bruce Maccabee       | NEVERMORE!!!
       Frank Stanley        | Anything new on the UFO front?
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | LOL!
        Raven/SL16          | Smartie. 
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | John!!!
                            | Hi!
       John                 | yes
       Bruce Maccabee       | Always something new on the UFO front..
       Atheistic Soul       | HoD
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | What's new, Bruce?
       Atheistic Soul       | Bruce, why aren't more UFOlogists more 
                            | critical of the UFOs?
       Tom G                | Heya, Bruce! See my message over on da "Evil 
                            | Empire"? 
       Bruce Maccabee       | I suppose you people are aware of the 
                            | Nightline show a week ago...
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Oh, yeah, Bruce.
       Daniel Roberts       | Wuzzat?
       Bruce Maccabee       | Yeah... I  Encountered your message
       Mark                 | Opps...Hi Bruce.
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | LOL!
       Atheistic Soul       | Yeppers, pretty lame.  Another UFO show 
                            | stating "it ain't science", but not bothering 
                            | to actually bring up any actual scientists st
                            | udying the phenomeon, reporting the 
                            | phenomenon, etc.
       Frank Stanley        | No can you enighten?
       Tom G                | LOL, Bruce!
       Atheistic Soul       | Except you of course Bruce.
        Admiral Smith       | Hi, Sarek
       Atheistic Soul       | You were a God.
       Bruce Maccabee       | For Frank:
       Daniel Roberts       | Ga, pl;ease, AS
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Oh, you say the sweetest things!
       Bruce Maccabee       | Nightline did a UFO special'
                            | in honor of ID4   or ID$
                            | last t uesday
       Frank Stanley        | LOL Bruce
       Daniel Roberts       | Even Letterman did one!!!
       Sarek                | Involuntarily beamed out but I'm back
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | 
       Bruce Maccabee       | they started off with a videot ape smuggled 
                            | from the Air Force to a reporter
                            | for Nightline  (t he producer, actually)
       JB (not the Scotch)  | Not in honor of, but to suck off of (like a 
                            | remora...)
       Bruce Maccabee       |  This was to be their piece de resistance...
                            | but it turned out to be mre of a resistance 
                            | than a piece....
       Daniel Roberts       | My oh My! Another smuggled videotape!
       Bruce Maccabee       | They called me up a week in advance to tell 
                            | me about it
                            | and ask if I would analyze it while being 
                            | videoed...
                            | but, sorry, you can't see it first!
                            | So I had to come up with an answer.... cold.
       John W. Ratcliff     | What's your answer hot?
       Bruce Maccabee       | They had already showed i.t to Bob Nathan 
                            | formerly of JPL
                            | who immediately sad  "why, its a meteor."
       Tom G                | Yep. And if you read the messages that Bruce 
                            | and I have been exchanging, you'll see...
       Bruce Maccabee       | The ABC correspondent, Guillen, expected me 
                            | to either endorrse that or 
                            | ssay it was a UFO.
       Tom G                | the difficulities involved in actually 
                            | *doing* anything with this bit of tape. 
       Bruce Maccabee       | ABC had already ruled out the AF explanation 
                            | - airplane - because you 
                            | could see some stars pass "between" the 
                            | assumed wing l/ights and the 
                            | main body light... 
                            | i.n other words, did not appear to be a solid 
                            | structure connecting the main 
                            | three lights. 
       John W. Ratcliff     | Nah, it was meteor's in formation.
       Bruce Maccabee       | So, the first thing I told >Guillen was "This 
                            | is the worst investigation I have 
                            | ever done." 
       Daniel Roberts       | Meteors "in formation"??????
       Bruce Maccabee       | They told me a field of view T HEY THO>UGHT 
                            | (5 degrees) and we 
                            | determine the time and date from info on the 
                            | unclassified tape. 
                            | Did not know which of several telescope on 
                            | Mrt Haleakala i.n Maui took 
                            | the video
       Daniel Roberts       | Arent meteors random??
       Bruce Maccabee       | Did not know ANYTHING about which direction 
                            | the telescope was 
                            | pointed....
       Sarek                | That's what I thought
       Bruce Maccabee       | So I was shooting in the dark... and 
                            | convinced Michael Guillen that 
                            | A BIG QUESTION MARK was the appropriuate 
                            | answer. 
       Mulderwanabe         | uh oh, what'd I do.  Where am I?
       Sus/Busy             | bye everyone :)
       Bruce Maccabee       | Aparently my approach impressed them enough 
                            | so that Tec Koppel 
                            | admitted that they could not identify this... 
                            | thing or things...shown on the 
                            | video.
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Hi, MWB.
       Daniel Roberts       | CYA Sus!
       Bruce Maccabee       | I am still trying to get more info....   Will 
                            | l/et you know what it turns out to 
                            | be.. if we can fi.nd out.
                            | ga
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | No luck on getting a copy of the video, Bruce?
       Daniel Roberts       | BRuce: Why were they asking you all this?
       Mulderwanabe         | I just joined this forum 5 seconds ago and I 
                            | think I ran into a 
                            | private meating of some kind.
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | No, not at all, MWB.
                            | It's an open conference.
                            | Just chime in.
       Mulderwanabe         | cool
        Admiral Smith       | chime
       Tom G                | Even a copy of the video isn't going to be 
                            | much help without a *lot* of background data.
       Daniel Roberts       | Chimes of freedom, clashing
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Tom, the video itself could help rule out a 
                            | lot of 
                            | things.
       Mulderwanabe         | what do you do here? 
       JB (not the Scotch)  | How's that Deb ?
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | We're currently talking about the Nightline 
                            | Special 
                            | on UFOs last week, JB.
                            | Science and UFOs, MWB.
       Tom G                | Debbie - nope. Not without a *lot* of 
                            | additional data - like the integration time 
                            | and imaging band of the FPA.
       JB (not the Scotch)  | I know, i've been listening, how could the 
                            | tape 
                            | help rule thing out ?
       Bruce Maccabee       | I have not yet received t he promised copy of 
                            | the video.
       Mulderwanabe         | Well, as long as I'm not butting in.
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | JB - like Bruce said...
                            | No, not at all, MWB!
       Sarek                | You won't Bruce
       Bruce Maccabee       | T he i.mages are NOT what I  would expect of 
                            | either a meteor group or a 
                            | satelliate group.  T hey are much bigger 
                            | (longer) the point images.
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | he can rule out that it's planes or meteors.
                            | Bruce, have you heard *anything* since the 
                            | airing?
       Mulderwanabe         | Well, I missed the show so I can't really say 
                            | much.
       Bruce Maccabee       | I can't absolutely rule out anything until I 
                            | k`now the angle of elevation...
       Daniel Roberts       | Anyone else recently purchase a copy of the 
                            | *Santilli Video* from the Roswell encounter?
       JB (not the Scotch)  | By just the tape, and no reference data ???
       Bruce Maccabee       | however the least probable is airplane 
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | No, why, Daniel?
                            | JB, you can rule things out.
                            | Not prove anything, though.
        Admiral Smith       | Nah, the least probable is a flying moose
       Tom G                | Bruce - exactly. And I agree with that 
                            | statement. 
       Bruce Maccabee       | A flying moose....   By George, I think he's 
                            | got it!!!
       Daniel Roberts       | *Santilli Video* seeems somewhat bogus, after 
                            | viewing it--about 2.5 hrs.
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Must get moose and squirrel.
       Bruce Maccabee       | T he metoer hypothesis is also flawed:   
                            | these three main bright lights 
                            | were all about equal in image brightness and 
                            | size
       Tom G                | Hmmmmm - Have Rocky and Bullwinkle been 
                            | hanging around Tonopoh?
       Bruce Maccabee       | all three traveled at the same rate wit the 
                            | middle one a bit ahead of the 
                            | ones above and below
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | But, Bruce - is that not possible?
       Bruce Maccabee       | You don't get meteors traveling "in echelon" 
                            | through space...
                            | T herefore it woul have to be a large 
                            | meteor/fireball  that broke up
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Is that a definite, or an improbable?
       Bruce Maccabee       |  but different sized chunks travel at 
                            | different rates through the atmosphere
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Ah.
       Bruce Maccabee       |  so in this case we would have to have a rare 
                            | breaku p of a meteor into 
        Admiral Smith       | Maybe a meteor that hit something and broke 
                            | up, 
                            | and the peices stayed at about the same 
                            | velocity
       Frank Stanley        | Bruce, what is the best peice of photographic 
                            | evidence 
                            | you have analyzed so far of UFOs?
       Bruce Maccabee       | three equal parts....  plus a cuple of tiny 
                            | ones on either side of t he central 
                            | main one
                            | So ...I don't quite buy that....
       Tom G                | *Plus* they'd have to keep station purty 
                            | darned well. 
       Sarek                | I believe the only time we'll know the true 
                            | is when someone in project blue book or 
                            | another 
                            | agency knows he's about to die from a disease 
                            | and is not afraid of any repercussions and 
                            | then tells all he know's. Un til the they'll 
                            | just keep us guessing
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Hi, Lynda!
       Lynda                | Hi Debbie
        Admiral Smith       | Even if he did feel like that, We may never 
                            | get to 
                            | know
       Daniel Roberts       | Hello lynda!
       Bruce Maccabee       | If meteors are different sizes the smaller 
                            | ones slow down faster.... would 
                            | expect a sizeable different in position 
                            | rather than having them all at about 
                            | the same point in t he travel path
       Lynda                | Hi Daniel
       Daniel Roberts       | Bruce: what is your background in 
                            | investigating this?
       Tom G                | I'd also expect a different video signature. 
                            | Those FPA's are designed for mag. 12 and 
                            | below - big fat blooms get
                            | seen with in-bound bolides.
       Sarek                | Hey Dan it's Mark M. Now going by Sarek, 
                            | Enjoyed our discussion the other day
       Bruce Maccabee       | T here has also been a suggestion of a group 
                            | of satellites... but these 
                            | things, if at satellite altitude and if t he 
                            | telescope was at a low angular 
                            | elevation, were several miles apart....
       Daniel Roberts       | Oh--howdy Sarek!
                            | Much to thinl about since then.
       Sarek                | Hope it helped you
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Guys....
                            | let's go formal here.
                            | If you have a question, please type a ?
       Daniel Roberts       | OK Deb!
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | If you have a comment, type a !.
                            | Bruce - you game?
       Mark                 | !
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | This will simplify this.
                            | Bruce, go ahead.
                            | Please!
       Bruce Maccabee       | GA
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Mark, you have a comment?
       Sarek                | ?
       Bruce Maccabee       | Go Mark
                            | Where is Mark?
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Mark's having computer problems...
                            | GA, Sarek.
       Bruce Maccabee       | Frank asked earlier what  is the best video I 
                            | have analyzed
       Mulderwanabe         | I lost my the connection when the stupid 
                            | phone 
                            | rang.  Sorry.
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | MWB,
       Mulderwanabe         | I hate phones.
       Bruce Maccabee       | So I suggest Ed Walters of July 21, 1995... 
                            | reported on at the MUFON symposium
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | we've gone formal.
                            | Type a ? if you have a question....a ! if you 
                            | have a 
                            | comment.
       Mulderwanabe         | meaning?
       Sarek                |  Bruce we just dicovered recently about 
                            | sprites above thunder clouds, following that 
                            | direction, 
                            | could what you viewed been a natural 
                            | phenomenon that we haven't dicovered or was 
                            | it 
                            | artifical in origin?
                            | In your opinion
       Bruce Maccabee       | You mean what is on te video shown by 
                            | Nightline?
       Mulderwanabe         | I have to go.
       Bruce Maccabee       | bye
       Sarek                | Yes
       Bruce Maccabee       | T he answer is no... no sprites would do 
                            | this... 
       Sarek                | I not saying they were sprites
                            |  the ? is natural or artifical in origin
       Bruce Maccabee       | As for other natural phenomena we haven't 
                            | discovered....    always hard to say wht teh 
                            | undiscovered could do!
                            | ga
       Sarek                | In your opinion
                            | artifical or natural
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Bruce, do you want to answer Frank's question 
                            | now?
                            | About the most compelling evidence you've 
                            | examined?
       Bruce Maccabee       | I gave an answer already...
       JB (not the Scotch)  | ?
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Oh, so you did.
                            | 
       Bruce Maccabee       | Ed's video of last July... which shows a 
                            | shadow on trees of a UFO that was 7000 ft 
                            | from the 
                            | camera!
       Frank Stanley        | Is the analysis in the MUFON journal?
       Bruce Maccabee       | Yes
                            | No
                            | In the Symp proceedings
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Right.
       Bruce Maccabee       | DEbbie saw it at the Symp
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Yes.
       Bruce Maccabee       | ga
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | I did.
                            | JB, GA.
       JB (not the Scotch)  | Bruce, what is you background in this area ?
       Frank Stanley        | Can I get them from MUFON?
       Bruce Maccabee       | My friend Jack Daniels provides good support 
                            | when needed...
       Tom G                | 
       Bruce Maccabee       | but mainly I have been analyzeing photos and 
                            | films and now videos for twenty years (or, 
                            | gulp) 
                            | more)
                            | ga
       VINNY                | ?
       Daniel Roberts       | ?
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Vinny, GA
       Frank Stanley        | GA
       VINNY                | I  have  a  few pictures  i  nedd  to  be 
                            | looked  over 
                            | where would  i send them?
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Type a GA when you're done, Vinny.
       VINNY                | sorry ga
       Bruce Maccabee       | You could cont act local MUFON representative 
                            | to investigate the photos.. provide tecnical 
                            | details and t hen he could send them to me or 
                            | to Jeff >Sainio, another MUFON photoanalyst
                            | ga
       JB (not the Scotch)  | !
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Daniel, GA
       JB (not the Scotch)  | Bye all, gotta run ...GA
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Daniel?
       Daniel Roberts       | Bruce: why is it for 50+ years its been so 
                            | hard to focus cameras on UFOs?? Your 
                            | opinion--GA
       Bruce Maccabee       | please leave the J&B
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | 
       Daniel Roberts       | HIC!
       Bruce Maccabee       | I don't know what you mean... t here are lots 
                            | of photos, many of which probably are NOT 
                            | hoaxes....   and many of the non-hoaxes are 
                            | quite sharp.
       Daniel Roberts       | ?
       VINNY                | ?
       Bruce Maccabee       | Of course, t he debunkers/skeptics won't tell 
                            | you this,... they say all is explained and 
                            | any good 
                            | photos are hoaxes....   so one may get the 
                            | IMPRESSION that there re no good photos, and 
                            | then ask "why". 
                            | GA
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Bruce, in your opinion, what WAS on the video 
                            | you 
                            | saw on the Nightline Special?  GA
       Sarek                | ?
       Bruce Maccabee       | I don't know what WAS on the video... at 
                            | present I can only say I am quite sure it 
                            | wasn't an 
                            | airplane, I am moderatelyl sure it wasn't a 
                            | meteor, and I  don't think it was a 
                            | collection of 
                            | satellites...   however these "sureties" are 
                            | based on incomplete data... so they aren't 
                            | very 
                            | sure after all,
       Tom G                | !
       Bruce Maccabee       | ga
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Daniel, GA
       Daniel Roberts       | Yield to next question... must step out for a 
                            | minute! More ..
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | VINNY, GA
       Daniel Roberts       | Node going down!
       Bruce Maccabee       | watch y our step!
       VINNY                | Have  you ever analyized  an alien photo?What 
                            |  I 
                            | have  seems  to  be  a  picture  of an  
                            | alien, but  it  is 
                            |  a very dark  photo. would the photo  still 
                            | be worth 
                            | looking at?ga
       Bruce Maccabee       | I have seen one photo of a likely alien... 
                            | not the standard grey... the Ilkley Moor 
                            | photo from 
                            | England.......     A dark photo may still 
                            | contai.n useful information.  GA
       VINNY                | i'm afraid  to give the photo  out!
       Bruce Maccabee       | T hen I guess it will remain a private 
                            | photo...GA
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Sarek, GA
       Bruce Maccabee       | I got a letter with enclosures te other day 
                            | from a guy who is now seeing aliens in almost 
                            | ALL 
                            | the pit=ctures he takes.
                            | GA
       Sarek                | Thanks I just got back from a dissconnection
                            | Bruce what is the most revealing photo you 
                            | have ever seen and where can we get a copy?
       VINNY                | ?
       Bruce Maccabee       | T he most revealing... probably somewhere in 
                            | a Playboy magazine......
                            | T he most likely to be a UFO....
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | BRUCE!
                            | 
       Frank Stanley        | ROFLMAO
       Bruce Maccabee       | Well, how about the T rindade photo of 
                            | January 1958 taken by a photogrpher on board 
                            | a 
                            | Brazliian Naval vessel.....
       LeGiON               | hehe
       Bruce Maccabee       | T here are others... e.g., McMinnville.... 
                            | you can get copies of photos by contacting 
                            | MUFON 
                            | headquarters....  there are some people who 
                            | sell copies of the photos
                            | ga
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Tom, GA
       Tom G                | The problem with the Nightline video is that 
                            | there is a *lot* of data missing. We don't 
                            | know...
                            | which instrument was used, where it was 
                            | pointing, the camera in use....
       Sarek                | ?
       Tom G                | that video could show anything from an 
                            | airplane to a sat constellation to a real 
                            | UFO. We just don't know.
                            | ga
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Comment, Bruce?
       Bruce Maccabee       | I would like to see a bunch of videos of 
                            | other stuff picked up by the telescope for 
                            | comparison... but they probably wont show me!
                            | ga
       Tom G                | 
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | VINNY, GA
       VINNY                | I  dont  see aliens  all the time but  i  
                            | investigate 
                            | an area  where there is alot of Ufo activity. 
                            | Also  i 
                            | have  a ton  of  pictures  with tesla globes  
                            | on them  . 
                            | what are they  and  are they related  to 
                            | Ufos?I also 
                            | get  these strange  squiggly  lines  on them 
                            | in  all 
                            | shades  of color, any ideas. not camera shake 
                            | ,i 
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | ?
       VINNY                | always  use  a tripod  and very high speed  
                            | film......
                            | ga
       Tom G                | I'll be back in a bit...got a minor crisis 
                            | here.
       Bruce Maccabee       | I h ave seen photos similar to wht you 
                            | describe.... colored lines, squiggles... etc. 
                            | presumably not  due to camera shake.   Do't 
                            | know what to make of them.  Give me the 
                            | daytime....structured object shots... the 
                            | ones which are clearly either hoaxes or THE 
                            | REAL 
                            | THING......    t hat's where the real payoff 
                            | is  (high risk, high payoff )   GA
       Daniel Roberts       | ?
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Sarek, GA
       Sarek                |  Bruce what is the best web site(s) for 
                            | archival info and photos you know of and what 
                            | are their 
                            |  addresses? What is your address if you don't 
                            | mind? GA
       LeGiON               | ?
       Bruce Maccabee       | Minor crises take only a minute or so..... 
                            | the major ones take a little longer.
                            | I don't know.  I haven't time to get myself 
                            | trapped on THE WEB!
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | 
       Bruce Maccabee       | GA
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Debbie, GA.
                            | Thanks!
                            | Bruce, do you have any comments on the 
                            | sightings 
                            | being made in the Virginha area of Brazil 
                            | right now? 
                            |  And thanks for joining us tonight, by the 
                            | way!  GA
       VINNY                | ?
       Sarek                | ?
       Bruce Maccabee       | I don't know anything other than what I have 
                            | picked up from reading.....    I'm quite sure 
                            | that 
                            | something happened.... don't know exactly 
                            | what...  according to a post on the E forum 
                            | there is 
                            | now talk of the American intelligence 
                            | communit y being involved...   if so, we can 
                            | bend over 
                            | and kiss that case goodbye!
                            | ga
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Daniel, GA
       Daniel Roberts       | More to Deb than Bruce  Do you mean the 
                            | "Minas Gerais" area of Brazil?
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | I think that's the same area, isn't it, 
                            | Daniel?
                            | Virginha encompasses more...
                            | but I'm not sure.
       Bruce Maccabee       | Sounds familiar...
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Anyone else wanna chime in?
                            | I can look it up.
       Sarek                | Does MUFON have a web site and what is it? GA
                            | sORRY dEB PREMATURE
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Hang on, Sarek.
                            | 
       Daniel Roberts       | Possibly--highly cryastalline area--famous 
                            | fro emeralds, tourmalines and other 
                            | crystals.
                            | GA Deb
       Bruce Maccabee       | MUFON does have a web site....   I don't 
                            | recall the URL
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Sarek....
                            | I don't have the URL right now.
                            | But I can get it for you.
                            | Bruce, do you?
       Bruce Maccabee       | I don't hav e it handy by
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | I can get it.
       Bruce Maccabee       | ga
       Sarek                | I would appreciate an E mail when you do
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | I'll get it in just a sec.
                            | LeGION, GA
       LeGiON               | I recently saw an episode of "Sightings" in 
                            | which you were 
                            | talking about a "Waterspout" UFO picture 
                            | taken in 1994 I 
                            | think and was wondering what that picture 
                            | showed as I missed 
                            | the start of that segment of the program. ga
       Bruce Maccabee       | Are you in the forEIGN leGION?     The 
                            | picture to which you refer was yet another 
                            | taken by Ed 
                            | Walters... this one in April, 1994.   It 
                            | shows a UFO hovering over the water south of 
                            | Gulf 
                            | Breeze and a thin lie of water extends up to 
                            | teh UFO... Ed said it was like a waterspout 
                            | that 
                            | rose  upward to the UFO for a minute or so 
                            | and then dropped away before the UFO took 
                            | off. 
                            | GA
       LeGiON               | Yes Im Foreign, well Irish anyways 
                            | ga
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | VINNY, GA
       VINNY                | Bruce  , hypothetically, if  you lived  in  
                            | an  area  that 
                            | was  full of Ufo activity  and  seen crafts  
                            | , or 
                            | whatever  come out  of the  ground,say  you 
                            | have all 
       Bruce Maccabee       | Estimate from the photo that the UF was about 
                            | 4,000 ft away, about 30 feet wide and 15 feet 
                            | high
       VINNY                | ready  looked  for the entrances  to their 
                            | underground  installations  what  eles  would 
                            |  you 
                            | use  to  find"them" and what  do  you  do if  
                            | you find 
                            | "them"?Alsoany  devises  that  I can use  to 
                            | help 
                            | find  "them"? You  have  seen  my devise 
                            | posts 
                            | before and told me to go to Mufon  but they  
                            | to me 
                            | arent  doing anything about  Ufo's  I have  
                            | seen 
                            | them  in  action  and  they  really  dont  
                            | seem 
                            | interested!
                            | GA
       Bruce Maccabee       | I don't know where you are located... and I 
                            | don't know if t here is a MUFON investigator 
                            | near 
                            | you.    You hve mentioned a UFO detector that 
                            | didn't work in you Enc. posts.   P?erhaps a 
                            | compass t ype magnetic detector would work.  
                            | However, nothing short of 24 hour 
                            | surveillance is "Guaranteed" to provide 
                            | evidence///   sai.d survellanc e carried out 
                            | with video 
                            | cameras for documentation.   GA
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Does anyone else have a question for Bruce?
       Daniel Roberts       | ?
       Bruce Maccabee       | I have to go  SOON
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Daniel, GA
                            | Last question then, Bruce.
       Sarek                | Thanks for your time Bruce, Do you have an 
                            | E-mail adress you can share
       Daniel Roberts       | Crystalline structures and UFO contact--Minas 
                            | Gerais of Brazil and even our own mt 
                            | Tamalpais here in N. Calif--can you comment, 
                            | Bruce?
       Bruce Maccabee       | I am not familiar with t he place you name in 
                            | CA.    so, no comment
                            | Email to 72326,3625
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Okay, let's go informal, then.
       Bruce Maccabee       | gaz
       Daniel Roberts       | Another time, then! TNX!
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Thanks, Bruce!!!
                            | We appreciate it!
       VINNY                | Thanks  Bruce
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | So, talk amongst yourselves.
       Bruce Maccabee       | TEN FOUR.. see ya 'round....
       Frank Stanley        | hank you for you time bruce
                            | Apprecaite your visit
       Daniel Roberts       | Deb: Anyone else know about the relationship 
                            | between massive crystalline structures and 
                            | UFO activity?
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Not that I'm aware of, Daniel.
       VINNY                | nope  Dan
       Lynda                |  Sounds like a Star Trek Next Gen to me 
                            | Daniel
       Daniel Roberts       | No dilithium around here, Lynda!
       Sarek                | Well alrighty then What's the new topic that 
                            | we all know something about?
       VINNY                | ok
       Daniel Roberts       | Dreams?
        Debbie H/SL13&21    | Folks, I've gotta run - have fun!  Bye!



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