[From an interview with the former marketing director of the
Arkansas Development and Finance Authority, and former associate
of Bill Clinton, Larry Nichols. This interview took place on the
May 5, 1994 "America's Town Forum" radio show, hosted by Tom
Donahue. The show is broadcast most weekday evenings at 7 pm
(cst) on shortwave frequency 5.810 mHz. (Nichols speaks via
telephone with Donahue.)]
TOM DONAHUE: I want to tell our listeners about a special guest
we have today; as a matter of fact, *return* guest: Larry
Nichols. Larry Nichols appears in the video *Clinton's Circle of
Power*, and a soon-to-be-released video, *The Clinton
Larry, thanks so much for joining us back, on "America's Town
LARRY NICHOLS: Yes, good mornin'. I can barely hear ya.
DONAHUE: O.K. Bob, you're gonna have to give him some more input;
some more volume.
Larry, can you hear us now?
NICHOLS: Uh... barely.
DONAHUE: O.K. We've made...
NICHOLS: Now! Now.
DONAHUE: Good. Good.
NICHOLS: You're there.
DONAHUE: All right, wonderful.
How are you feeling these days? Rumor had it that you were, uh,
NICHOLS: Um... Well, of course, my demise was greatly
DONAHUE: All right.
NICHOLS: I had... um, it is an interesting thing that happened. I
developed a rash, much like you would get from, like, touching
something you were allergic to. Except it manifested in my lungs.
And I come to find out it is somethin' from a pesticide. Of
course, I had nothing to do with pesticides. I don't know where I
got it, but everybody sort of put 2 and 2 together since Welch,
the investigator at Mena, was being poisoned and had similar
symptoms, people started assuming that I had been poisoned. Uh, I
find that *probably* not to be true. Um, you know, I don't think
DONAHUE: Was this gentleman, Mr. Welch, was *he* poisoned?
DONAHUE: He was. And for what reason and by whom?
NICHOLS: He was investigating Mena back in the early '80s. And he
was the main investigator and people in Mena play rough. And they
did not want him to continue on with his investigation. So, I
mean, I don't know exactly who poisoned him. I have to be careful
what I say so that I can justify, legally, everything I say. So,
I mean, I can only tell you...
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[Here's what Welch himself says. The following is an
excerpt from a television show called "The Conspiracy
Tapes." My thanks to one of the readers of "Conspiracy
Nation" for sending me a videotape of this show.]
NARRATOR: Arkansas state police officer Russell Welch
tried to find out who knew what. It nearly got him
WELCH: I was sick. I was originally diagnosed as
NARRATOR: And what was the poison that almost cost him
WELCH: Military biological agent: anthrax.
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DONAHUE: Right. How long ago was that? When did that occur?
NICHOLS: Uh that would have been probably, uh, '85.
DONAHUE: O.K. So it did happen back then. So that's not a recent
O.K. Let me, for our listeners who've never heard you or missed
the program when you were on with us, um, let's talk about your
association with Bill Clinton back in the '80s. What is the
connection. And I understand: the Arkansas Development and
Finance Authority. But you knew him prior to that as well.
NICHOLS: Yessir. I've known Bill Clinton since probably the mid-
80s to late-80s. As a matter of fact, I do spot marketing
projects for he and Hillary during the early '80s. As a matter of
fact, I helped package their educational standards package. And
it was only in 1988 that they *created* the job of marketing
director -- it was not there before me and it's not there now --
um, for me to come into that agency. I thought, ostensibly, I was
coming in to do what a marketing person does, which is market the
agency. What I found out was I was there simply as "damage
control" and to "put out fires."
DONAHUE: Hmm... Let's, let's talk...
DONAHUE: O.K. I'm sorry. Go ahead.
NICHOLS: So anyway, I mean, that's the extent of my involvement
NICHOLS: I mean, it gets a lot worse. But that's how I ended up
*at* the agency. And then while I was *at* the agency is when I
discovered the wrongs that were going on there. And then that
caused my problem, because I started to blow the whistle.
DONAHUE: How long did it take before you blew the whistle? And
tell us about the lawsuit.
NICHOLS: Well the whistle was blown... Excuse me one second. Hold
on. [Leaves the phone]
DONAHUE: O.K. We're talking... Let's do a break now, Bob. Quickly
go to a break. We'll come back with our guest and we'll take
calls soon. 1-800-298-8255.
(to be continued)